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Interested in WH but fearful of the pvp
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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-28 09:58:26 UTC
I'm rather interested in wormholes, they seem an interesting concept and a good way to make ISK and to get into the more advanced aspects of the game without having to deal with null sec sovereignty.

However I really fearful about the pvp aspects of wormhole space. As a solo pvp I suck and I don't want to log in one day after spending all my money getting set up to find 5 dreads beating on my POS and me unable to do anything apart from attempt to bribe them be giving them stuff.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#2 - 2013-11-28 10:09:18 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I'm rather interested in wormholes, they seem an interesting concept and a good way to make ISK and to get into the more advanced aspects of the game without having to deal with null sec sovereignty.

However I really fearful about the pvp aspects of wormhole space. As a solo pvp I suck and I don't want to log in one day after spending all my money getting set up to find 5 dreads beating on my POS and me unable to do anything apart from attempt to bribe them be giving them stuff.

... and?

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#3 - 2013-11-28 10:09:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Paul Otichoda wrote:
However I really fearful about the pvp aspects of wormhole space. As a solo pvp I suck and I don't want to log in one day after spending all my money getting set up to find 5 dreads beating on my POS and me unable to do anything apart from attempt to bribe them be giving them stuff.

What worries you about the PVP? Potential ISK losses from lost ships?

Even if you're great at PvP you still need to farm stuff if your ultimate aim is making ISK. And with farming in wormholes (much like elsewhere) there comes ganks and blobs, so you'll lose ships of some kind eventually, no matter who you are.

PVP can be avoided much of the time though if it's not your thing and you're looking to avoid it. Cloaking, learning to use Dscan, probing and friends/alts used for keeping an eye or ear on the exits. Everyone loses stuff eventually though.

Best way to keep safe while making ISK can be as part of a larger Corp with numbers and decent system control. Going solo is fun too though if you can afford to learn stuff the hard way.

As for your POS, simply use a large or faction variant and fill the grid with a lot of ECM and/or guns. There's some good resources around for guiding you in pos 'fits'. You'll be relatively safe against anything but a large, determined fleet that really doesn't like you for some reason.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Aelias Zero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-11-28 10:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelias Zero
Wormholes are fun, but PVP is 90% of it.

If you absolutely need to carebear and horde ships (no idea why- ISK doesn't mean crap), then find a corp to protect you.

"Is probably the best person alive."                      -Ron Paul
Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#5 - 2013-11-28 10:47:47 UTC
Just find a good wormhole pvp corp to join.

Fears eliminated.
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-28 10:52:05 UTC
Join a lower class wormhole corp, join their fleets and get experience. You'll get more comfortable as you gain more experience.
I would advise lower class wormhole because you can usually join in with cheaper ships, and you will lose a lot of ships while you learn Pirate
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#7 - 2013-11-28 11:14:09 UTC
ignore these dudes. come to c4 space.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-11-28 11:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Aelias Zero wrote:
Wormholes are fun, but PVP is 90% of it.

If you absolutely need to carebear and horde ships (no idea why- ISK doesn't mean crap), then find a corp to protect you.


Well I've just brought a tengu and I really don't want to lose it as I've only got 250m ISK left

And I can't get into incursions get so its back to grinding level 4 security missions.
Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#9 - 2013-11-28 11:44:57 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Aelias Zero wrote:
Wormholes are fun, but PVP is 90% of it.

If you absolutely need to carebear and horde ships (no idea why- ISK doesn't mean crap), then find a corp to protect you.


Well I've just brought a tengu and I really don't want to lose it as I've only got 250m ISK left

And I can't get into incursions get so its back to grinding level 4 security missions.


Don't fly what you can't afford to replace.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#10 - 2013-11-28 11:45:23 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Aelias Zero wrote:
Wormholes are fun, but PVP is 90% of it.

If you absolutely need to carebear and horde ships (no idea why- ISK doesn't mean crap), then find a corp to protect you.


Well I've just brought a tengu and I really don't want to lose it as I've only got 250m ISK left

And I can't get into incursions get so its back to grinding level 4 security missions.

Doesn't sound like you can afford to lose the ship then, in which case you shouldn't fly it where that's likely to happen at some point *shrug*

T3's aren't a prerequisite for wormhole living though, as great and useful as they are. Nothing wrong with running anoms in a BC/BS depending on the class of wormhole you're in. Sounds like you want to limit the level of risk so shipping down is maybe a good idea.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Cheesy Feet
The Hells Bells Club
#11 - 2013-11-28 12:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cheesy Feet
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Aelias Zero wrote:
Wormholes are fun, but PVP is 90% of it.

If you absolutely need to carebear and horde ships (no idea why- ISK doesn't mean crap), then find a corp to protect you.


Well I've just brought a tengu and I really don't want to lose it as I've only got 250m ISK left

And I can't get into incursions get so its back to grinding level 4 security missions.


You're way underfunded to move into wormspace with 250m.

A large standard tower with mods and fuel etc will set you back around a billion isk to set up with a months fuel, and then cost you 450m a month to run in fuel. That's without any ship losses, if you want to put up poco's of your own in the system then add another 100m each for those. You could risk a medium tower to cut costs, but that will still cost you half a bill or more to set up and 300m a month to run - dont even think about a small tower for anything other than a staging post for a day or two.

As others have said join a WH corp, learn out it works out here and earn some decent isk, then move out on your own if you still want to.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#12 - 2013-11-28 12:03:02 UTC
If you want isk and little risk of pvp ...High sec incursions!

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-11-28 13:13:41 UTC
WHs are a PVP environment.
if youre just after isk, run HS incursions.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-11-28 13:25:50 UTC
I can't think of any reason to come to wh space if you don't want to PvP. Because I can guarantee you most of the residents do not feel the same way and you will be hunted. Taking down someone's POS is a PITA, but from what I've heard, carebearing and refusing to PvP is one sure way to get a fleet of ships reinforcing a POS.

If you want to make wh ISK then start off daytripping C1 and C2 wormholes. You scan down the wh from hisec, poke around a bit in a T2 cloaky frigate to make sure the residents aren't awake, then shag that hole for all its anoms. If it is chock full of anoms then you can make 150mil. Its very exciting. I recommend you have a scout sit on the hisec so you know when someone else comes in. There are plenty of hisec based protei that daytrip whs for PvP. Don't bring your tengu. Use a drake or something.

All of the isk in whs comes from the salvage of the sleepers as there are no bounties. So remember to bm all the sites and salvage them.

Finally, Paul, nut up would you? Stop posting threads about how you suck. A) You don't suck and B) Beta males don't get the girls. PvP in this game isn't really that hard assuming you follow 2 rules:

1. Take fights on your terms; strike when you have the advantage, flee when you don't
2. Don't give a crap about your ship exploding

I know you won't listen to any of the last paragraph because you're Paul Otichoda and despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of other people can learn to PvP in Eve, you know you can't.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-11-28 14:26:40 UTC
Cheesy Feet wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Aelias Zero wrote:
Wormholes are fun, but PVP is 90% of it.

If you absolutely need to carebear and horde ships (no idea why- ISK doesn't mean crap), then find a corp to protect you.


Well I've just brought a tengu and I really don't want to lose it as I've only got 250m ISK left

And I can't get into incursions get so its back to grinding level 4 security missions.


You're way underfunded to move into wormspace with 250m.

A large standard tower with mods and fuel etc will set you back around a billion isk to set up with a months fuel, and then cost you 450m a month to run in fuel. That's without any ship losses, if you want to put up poco's of your own in the system then add another 100m each for those. You could risk a medium tower to cut costs, but that will still cost you half a bill or more to set up and 300m a month to run - dont even think about a small tower for anything other than a staging post for a day or two.

As others have said join a WH corp, learn out it works out here and earn some decent isk, then move out on your own if you still want to.


yeah the largest amount of ISK I've ever had was about 750m ISK when all I did was grind lvl 4 missions for several weeks and not spend anything. So yeah
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-11-28 15:37:24 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
ignore these dudes. come to c4 space.



In one thread you complain about C4 space getting too populated, then in another you invite more to come...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-28 16:22:37 UTC
The trick to playing well in an MMO is to play with other people...

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#18 - 2013-11-28 17:54:28 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
The trick to playing well in an MMO is to play with other people...

^This.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Resilan Bearcat
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-11-28 22:22:29 UTC
PvP is a big part of life in wormholes. Given your wallet, you are not in a position to setup in a wormhole independently and setting up as a solo player is not recommended in any case. If the only reason you are in wormholes is to make ISK, it is likely to be a disappointing experience. You are going to encounter people who will kill you in ways you cannot imagine.

If you want to see what it is like to live in a wormhole and learn the ropes, there are several new player friendly groups who train new players to the space. Many of them have a certain skill level requirement and the security process around gaining acceptance will be quite high with any serious group. However, these groups can provide you with a place to live, corpmates for joint ops and some valuable experience.

You can try high sec diving as someone earlier in the thread suggested. If you do it, I would recommend leaving that Tengu in high sec. Do not fly anything into a wormhole if you cannot afford to lose it.
ShamedOne
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#20 - 2013-11-28 23:09:34 UTC
Wormholes are a nice environment to learn small gang pvp, ganking, scanning, even if you are by yourself you can do stuff. I just hope you have more than one account. I assume you have an alt because how else will you run sites? Run one and then go salvage? Not only untimeconsuming but a very good way to become ganked, per se. Good luck otherwise. You never know what you will find if you just look and want to get a kill...
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