Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There have been plenty of threads complaining about safety in high sec and gankers on station undocks. I don't agree at all that EVE needs to be more safe. The draw of this game is the danger at every turn. I certainly believe that if someone is willing to lose their ship and wants to gank you then they should have every chance to do so and match their DPS against your tank.

That being said there is the matter that large numbers of players are suicide ganking off the Jita undock in tier 3 battlecruisers and it is not only economically viable for them to do so but in many cases profitable. Most of you know how it works and if you don't then do some research, it is fairly simple.

The issue here is the complete lack of counter for a hauler other than significantly under-loading the cargo hold or taking low value goods in which case, why bother. Rather than changing criminal flags or ganking mechanics or any of those things that work very well in most circumstances I have a different proposal, a fitting option.

A new rig type - Incineration Rig. This rig would require 400 calibration (all for a T1 ship) and impose an agility penalty of 50% making much easier to catch you. If the ship is destroyed, the entire contents of the cargo hold are destroyed and cannot drop. Fitted modules would still have the normal chance of dropping.

This means that a hauler pilot can fit their ship so that it is not economical to gank them for profit. If you still want to grief them then hey, go ahead but you won't profit from it especially using a 60 million ISK battlecruiser. It is no safer for the hauler pilot and does not prevent someone killing them but takes away some of the motivation for attacking them. Of course if you aren't running a ship scan in addition to your cargo scan then you could waste a suicide gank and get no good loot for in which case you were outplayed.

Potentially there needs to be more significant penalties to the rig, maybe some more combat focused. I wouldn't want to see this as a standard fit on every ship running anomalies that drop high value loot but I do think there is room in the game for a fitting option to allow hauler pilots to do something against a gank. I was leaning towards rig rather than module as I like the idea of this being a relatively permanent change to the ship but it could work well as a module. Freighters would still have issues as they do now but there is always the option of giving them rigs slots too, although that may be a discussion for another thread.

Some people gank haulers just because they would have a multi-billion ISK killmail for a 100mil loss.

I'm completely certain OP isn't suggesting a counter to ganking but rather a deterrent to some specific kinds of ganking.

This isn't a rig everyone will fit, but it's a rig that some will fit. Gankers who only want expensive killmails will still get them. The only purpose of this is to raise a gigantic middle finger at for-profit gankers, which is just about as EVE as the for-profit gankers themselves.

You know, normally threads that touch on the issue of suicide ganking are pretty poorly received. But your right. I think I'd be mad too if I felt like my play style made me less of a player and more of a loot pinata. Piracy is cool, but so is being able to ruin a pirates day.

+1

Being able to ruin someone else's day is the cornerstone upon which EVE was built.

Maybe it is the RPer in me coming out, but I am more ok with for profit ganking than I am with KM ganking.
If you get ganked because you put 10B in your Iteron V fit for max cargo, that is your own damn fault.
To destroy an empty JF to bloat your KB is what I think needs to be detered.

maybe allow freighters and jump freighters to have rigs and make a new rig that grants KM/KB anonimity upon going POP

I actually had an idea similar to this that I was going to post soon... So +1 from me!

However, I don't think it should be a rig. My idea was that it should be a device ("Emergency scuttle bomb"? I don't have a good name for it) carried in the cargo hold, with a fairly large size (~1000 m3 for the "Small" version for industrials, 100,000 m3 for the freighter-size one). The device doesn't destroy everything 100% reliably, but with a chance related to how many m3 of cargo you are carrying relative to m3 of the bomb.

have a bump. idea ive not seen before. nice.

Make an insta-undock bookmark in a shuttle, never get ganked on Jita undock again. Alternatively, fly a freighter.