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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-11-27 12:18:53 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes.

yea.
How people do this:
1) press 1 button ""jump" to next gate
2) put Eve Client window on back, switch to other window with pron or something
3) wait for animation of actual jumping, switch to Eve Client and repeat from step 1.


That's really amazing game Cool

And for serious discussion: any ideas how to make task "move some cheap crap 20 jumps in freighter over high-sec" more interesting and "true-Eve style" game?

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Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-11-27 12:26:08 UTC
Ebs Tarmin wrote:
Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?

-No experienced players use it.
-The only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers.
-What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?
-Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.


The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).


I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?


Seems to me like you got no clue... I use autopilot on my alt all the time. I have him haul while I pvp. The art is to use heavily tanked ships or freighters to move low value stuff or very little high value, so a suicide gank can never be profitable. Especially after Rubicon, my weekly rens-jita freighter run has turned into afk. Autopilot is fine. Its all about the cost of lazyness. if you want to be lazy like me, be sure its gonna hurt anyone wanting to hurt you more.
Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-11-27 13:35:44 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
And for serious discussion: any ideas how to make task "move some cheap crap 20 jumps in freighter over high-sec" more interesting and "true-Eve style" game?


Use Red Frog. Nothing is more "true-Eve style" than paying someone else to do your dirty work. Well... except maybe ganking them while they do it.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-11-27 14:07:28 UTC
Annette Nolen wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
And for serious discussion: any ideas how to make task "move some cheap crap 20 jumps in freighter over high-sec" more interesting and "true-Eve style" game?


Use Red Frog. Nothing is more "true-Eve style" than paying someone else to do your dirty work. Well... except maybe ganking them while they do it.

yea. i see your point.

However my question is wider: i ask not about me but about all players. It means i ask about Reg-Frog pilots too. Because using this service only solves boredom of hauling for me. But some RF pilot will deal with this boredom for my ISK (only if pilots of RF are humans and not bots but this is outside of this discussion)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2013-11-27 14:13:34 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
However my question is wider: i ask not about me but about all players. It means i ask about Reg-Frog pilots too. Because using this service only solves boredom of hauling for me. But some RF pilot will deal with this boredom for my ISK (only if pilots of RF are humans and not bots but this is outside of this discussion)

Then again, hours of boredom (followed by a few minutes of sheer panic) is pretty much part of the true EVE experience as well.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-11-27 14:42:05 UTC
Why OP...

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-11-27 14:52:59 UTC
Autopilot is just fine the way it is. Set destination. Set medical clone to destination station. Shower/pay attention to SO/take legendary poop/whatever. Arrive at destination one way or the other!
Careby
#28 - 2013-11-27 15:09:28 UTC
The increased risk that comes with using Autopilot is appropriate. I do think teaching new players to use it in the tutorial is pretty silly.

I use Autopilot for one thing. After lighting a cyno, I set my course to the station I'm sitting next to, and punch the AP button. There is a fair to middling chance it will dock my pod after my ship is destroyed, or maybe even the ship if I'm lucky enough that nobody shoots it before the timer runs out. I don't remember where I heard about this, but thanks to whomever suggested it.
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
#29 - 2013-11-27 15:42:37 UTC
I tried autopilot as a rookie. I found the 15km slowboating to be annoying (having been not afk during use), and it absolutely sucked as a panic I'm-getting-shot-at-in-Low-Sec-RUN retreat button (During newbie-panic, I forgot about the slowboating. Results: Predictable). Granted, its entire point is to grant you the convenience of not having to manually fly 100 jumps around High-sec, in exchange for improved likelihood of getting popped.

Never again. 1 jump or 100, I've stuck with manual. The setting of a destination/route so you don't get lost is nice; I just don't let my ship fly itself through the route.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#30 - 2013-11-27 15:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Ebs Tarmin wrote:

-No experienced players use it.


Really? no one?

8 years here and I still find it a situational but useful feature that I regularly use a few times per week. Never been podded in hisec either (ever). Probably because I know what's likely to get ganked and where that gank is likely to happen. You can autopilot a gankable target where you wont get ganked, and you can autopilot something that won't get ganked wherever you damn well please.

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Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-11-27 16:03:15 UTC
I use AP all the time, the trick is to not be carrying anything valuble. Or if in a freighter, not have more than 400 million isk of cargo.
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qwiksilver Oriki
Academy Eternal War
#32 - 2013-11-27 16:27:20 UTC
Autopilot is useful in certain situations, if you're running multiple accounts at once and the time it takes 2 of them to get to a destination its quite useful and lets you focus attention on other pilots that are where they need to be.
Cpt Tirel
Institute For Continuous Glory
#33 - 2013-11-27 16:38:37 UTC
I think ship speed should determine how far you land from the gate when autopiloting at least.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#34 - 2013-11-27 17:00:41 UTC
I think autopilot should act exactly like clicking on each system on the overview and jumping as soon as you get into a new system.

If it did that, it would be a useful feature.

The way it is now it is not useful, yet I can still pilot by clicking 'jump' in each system myself.

So changing autopilot would not change the game much, but it would make long journeys (which is NOT what EVE should be about - EVE's about what happens when you get there) more tolerable for the players. IE, I could go do something else while my ship traveled and if I came back to a pod, I would at least understand that there wasn't going to be much I could have done even if I had been manually piloting.

If they don't change it I won't be mad or anything but I believe that having a button that does better than autopilot makes autopilot mostly obsolete.

I'm not sure why CCP would want us sitting there playing EVE as opposed to being able to automate the boring portion of EVE. I would lobby for instant transfers to anywhere but that's already a feature with jump clones and would mess up a lot of things. So travel time is necessary but what's the point of making it a manual process over an automated one? There's no ads they want me there to click through, and I'm watching another screen waiting for the jump sound anyway. They're still getting their sub money, so why does travel need to be such a chore?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-11-27 17:15:33 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
I think autopilot should act exactly like clicking on each system on the overview and jumping as soon as you get into a new system.

If it did that, it would be a useful feature.
…except, of course, that it's a useful feature as it is, so there's no need for that level of automation. Being at the keyboard rewards you with faster travel — this is a good thing.

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If they don't change it I won't be mad or anything but I believe that having a button that does better than autopilot makes autopilot mostly obsolete.
The button in question doesn't really do what the autopilot does, though.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-11-27 17:18:38 UTC
I autopilot in a pod, is that bad?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#37 - 2013-11-27 17:21:13 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
IE, I could go do something else while my ship traveled and if I came back to a pod, I would at least understand that there wasn't going to be much I could have done even if I had been manually piloting.
You are literally asking for the game to play itself.

Sure, travel is pretty boring. That's why it's one of the few things in the game where you have the option to automate it, for a price. If you want a game which is nothing but instant gratification 110% of the time, I suggest Call of Duty.

Upgrading OP to 5/10 for getting me to respond seriously to a thread from 2007.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#38 - 2013-11-27 17:51:56 UTC
No, you're not going to get an autopilot that is as efficient as flying manually.

No, you're not going to be able to go AFK on autopilot and be immune to being ganked.

Faster travel makes the universe smaller, which we don't need. Indeed, if we need anything it is for travel to be even more dangerous than it is now, so as to keep you from being so bored. Blink

There, problem solved.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#39 - 2013-11-27 18:02:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
March rabbit wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes.

yea.
How people do this:
1) press 1 button ""jump" to next gate
2) put Eve Client window on back, switch to other window with pron or something
3) wait for animation of actual jumping, switch to Eve Client and repeat from step 1.



Wait! How did you know I was reading pron? Are you spying on me?

Cannibal Kane wrote:
Why OP...

Hello There...


Cannibal ... Your avatar needs a red flowing cape or something. You have that super hero pose down.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-11-27 18:10:36 UTC
Ebs Tarmin wrote:
Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it.


Before we had the jump option on gates I sort of used autopilot back when I had a slower than dirt computer.

After entering a system warp to the next gate and engage the autopilot. This way if there was a large camp at the gate I wasn't fumbling with the right click to jump at the gate.

After jumping I would turn off autopilot and repeat to the next gate.