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Most ISK/Tick Sub Cap? Duel boxxing?
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-11-27 12:47:58 UTC
So right now I am making about 35-42M a tick combined with my 2 characters running guristas anoms; I am wondering what ships are the best to use where I could increase this? Not looking to run caps but anything from T3-BS.

Missiles, Projectile and Hybrids are all an option for me; I play the sites pretty aggressively, Not looking for the most easy but am looking for the most ISK/Tick.

So if I am running two ships what would be the best two options Sub cap and how would you fit them?
I would like to boost this to 50-60M/Tick if at all possible, Not looking to get to shiny but will drop a little cash if needed.
I am thinking Vindi + something else or maybe Mach + something??

And no stupid comments with "tell me where you are I will show you how to rat"
One I am not that stupid and two It doesn't take my alliance long to form up 20++ man fleets to deal with hostiles.
I know people are coming from about 5 jumps smart ratters use intel channels and if those fail I have a 3rd alt in the bottle neck system to see hostels in bound.

so with that out of the way and I am sure I am going to get some 12 year olds in here with tell me where you rat.
But anyway just looking for some ideas on how to increase this. I am fielding about 2400 DPS atm between the two ships.
Julius Priscus
#2 - 2013-11-27 13:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Julius Priscus
you should be making 60m + between two chars if done right.

I my self used to make 43+m per tick solo.

this was done with a mach and sentries.. doing only FSH's

same can be don't with vindi's in serp space.

and they are both expensive ships..

problem is ceptors and awoxers.. placing bubbles on gates wont work.

mail me for fits.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-11-27 15:11:39 UTC
Your DPS is good so the visible problem is in overkill mitigation / site selection / damage application.

Split the chars to their individual sites. Run haven+. I trust your fittings are sane as you have good dps, so damage application hopefully is not an issue.

As a benchmark 35-42M tick is low standard for a single 1300dps sentry carrier running haven+, and carriers are slow at the damage application bit with warp times, sentry lock delay and all.
Bibosikus
Air
#4 - 2013-11-28 00:12:01 UTC
I often extol the virtues of dualboxed spidertanking Domis. With Garde II's, 1600dps with excellent tracking and a 75km+ optimal. Hard to beat. I ran two in DB Havens and regularly ticked at 25m each. Relatively cheap ships too. Or used to be :s

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-11-28 00:33:09 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Your DPS is good so the visible problem is in overkill mitigation / site selection / damage application.

Split the chars to their individual sites. Run haven+. I trust your fittings are sane as you have good dps, so damage application hopefully is not an issue.

As a benchmark 35-42M tick is low standard for a single 1300dps sentry carrier running haven+, and carriers are slow at the damage application bit with warp times, sentry lock delay and all.

Could very well be sight selection; I tend to stick to forsaken hubs I can handle sanctum and haven sights easily also. I was under the impression that hubs where the butter is per tick sights. Thanks for the input I will try a night of sanctum and havens see how it turns out and let you know
Goochan derp
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-11-28 01:01:00 UTC
im not really sure how your putting out 2400 dps and only getting 35-42 mil ticks, i managed a 36 mil tick by myself in an abbadon with +5s and faction heat sinks only putting out 1180/840 gun dps with conflag/scorch. and had to use about = ammounts of both because i had to avoid loyal frig waves, oh and the system i rat in only spawns one forsaken hub as its best site so i alternate between forsaken hub and forsaken rally. may i ask what ships your using and your fits for them?
Gary Bell
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-11-28 01:12:51 UTC
LOL I do four toons in angel space they each get about 26 mil ticks..

Not to mention a faction rat like 2 or 3 times an hr..

Its all about tactic.. If i salvaged I could easily break 400 mil an hr
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-11-28 01:22:45 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
I often extol the virtues of dualboxed spidertanking Domis. With Garde II's, 1600dps with excellent tracking and a 75km+ optimal. Hard to beat. I ran two in DB Havens and regularly ticked at 25m each. Relatively cheap ships too. Or used to be :s


Can't see domi's making the best isk ticks. My HAM tengu with 980ish dps and a naga with 1200 dps will out perform the domi pair, but I don't see more that 43ish mil ticks between the 2 toons..
Julius Priscus
#9 - 2013-11-28 03:16:41 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
LOL I do four toons in angel space they each get about 26 mil ticks..

Not to mention a faction rat like 2 or 3 times an hr..

Its all about tactic.. If i salvaged I could easily break 400 mil an hr



I used to get 20-26m per tick in angel space.. then I finally got t2 sentries and that changed...
Bibosikus
Air
#10 - 2013-11-28 12:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
Cage Man wrote:
Bibosikus wrote:
I often extol the virtues of dualboxed spidertanking Domis. With Garde II's, 1600dps with excellent tracking and a 75km+ optimal. Hard to beat. I ran two in DB Havens and regularly ticked at 25m each. Relatively cheap ships too. Or used to be :s


Can't see domi's making the best isk ticks. My HAM tengu with 980ish dps and a naga with 1200 dps will out perform the domi pair, but I don't see more that 43ish mil ticks between the 2 toons..

Paper DPS vs in game. Less micro management. Assign drones and pew. Single weapons platform. A number of reasons and garde iis are extremely effective. Not the best ticks, but isk for isk and skillset wise it's a good package to use.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-11-28 19:44:51 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Bibosikus wrote:
I often extol the virtues of dualboxed spidertanking Domis. With Garde II's, 1600dps with excellent tracking and a 75km+ optimal. Hard to beat. I ran two in DB Havens and regularly ticked at 25m each. Relatively cheap ships too. Or used to be :s


Can't see domi's making the best isk ticks. My HAM tengu with 980ish dps and a naga with 1200 dps will out perform the domi pair, but I don't see more that 43ish mil ticks between the 2 toons..

Paper DPS vs in game. Less micro management. Assign drones and pew. Single weapons platform. A number of reasons and garde iis are extremely effective. Not the best ticks, but isk for isk and skillset wise it's a good package to use.


nope, not paper.. I have tried this in game.. I generally don't make statements unless I have tested them in game. This thread is all about increasing isk ticks..
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-11-29 09:07:55 UTC
Any suggestions how to break 14mil/tick per toon in angel space with geddon and 3 domis? :)
Using T2 buncers (no guns ofc on domis, just drone assist)
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-11-30 16:02:22 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Any suggestions how to break 14mil/tick per toon in angel space with geddon and 3 domis? :)
Using T2 buncers (no guns ofc on domis, just drone assist)



Warp in at 100km, each ship does its own sites, 5 damage mods each ship.