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In your opinion, what makes a pvper 'good' ?
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God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#81 - 2013-11-26 23:47:21 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:

  • no blues
  • no scouts
  • no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
  • no links
  • no pirate faction ships
  • K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
  • isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
  • ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
  • doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
  • doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
  • engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
  • doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
  • doesn't gloat
  • smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
  • has less than 90% efficiency
  • kills **** tons of ships
  • loses **** tons of ships
  • kills people they have no business killing
  • dies to people who of course would kill them
  • understands why they win engagements
  • understands why they lose engagements
  • understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
  • understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
  • understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
  • understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
  • knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
  • in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.



You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-11-27 11:50:11 UTC
God's Apples wrote:

You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.


This, ladies and gentleman, is a pure #elitepvp pro! And he doesnt even wear sunglasses of +2 badassery (tm)!

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
Pew Terror
All of it
#83 - 2013-11-27 17:33:05 UTC
Chessur wrote:
I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.

http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html


I see you posting a lot, but im not sure if you are a troll...

You talk a lot about solo PvP, but when checking your killboard all one can see you do is blapping frigs in a fotm cerb...
Dan Carter Murray
#84 - 2013-11-27 17:55:25 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:

  • no blues
  • no scouts
  • no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
  • no links
  • no pirate faction ships
  • K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
  • isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
  • ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
  • doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
  • doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
  • engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
  • doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
  • doesn't gloat
  • smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
  • has less than 90% efficiency
  • kills **** tons of ships
  • loses **** tons of ships
  • kills people they have no business killing
  • dies to people who of course would kill them
  • understands why they win engagements
  • understands why they lose engagements
  • understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
  • understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
  • understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
  • understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
  • knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
  • in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.



You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.


you missed my most updated response.
this one struck a chord though! P

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#85 - 2013-11-27 18:35:26 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:

  • no blues
  • no scouts
  • no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
  • no links
  • no pirate faction ships
  • K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
  • isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
  • ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
  • doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
  • doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
  • engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
  • doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
  • doesn't gloat
  • smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
  • has less than 90% efficiency
  • kills **** tons of ships
  • loses **** tons of ships
  • kills people they have no business killing
  • dies to people who of course would kill them
  • understands why they win engagements
  • understands why they lose engagements
  • understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
  • understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
  • understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
  • understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
  • knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
  • in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
  • in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.



You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.



LOLs fell for the bait.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Markus Auralias
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-11-27 19:39:43 UTC
Can you copy and paste ascii into your local window?

If so, congratulations! You have entered the ranks of the ~elite pvp~
Dan Carter Murray
#87 - 2013-11-27 21:39:52 UTC
God's Apples wrote:

According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.


your comprehension skills are not good

God's Apples wrote:

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile.

your comprehension skills are getting worse here.

God's Apples wrote:

I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

now your comprehension skills are getting laughable

God's Apples wrote:

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad.

your comprehension skills are absolutely hysterical

God's Apples wrote:

Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible.

this, coupled with the other things you "concluded" makes me wonder what level of reading comprehension you have.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-11-28 00:22:17 UTC
Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.

A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.

Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Nyan Lafisques
Legion Du Lys
#89 - 2013-11-29 17:41:00 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.

A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.

Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :)


Killboard stats means nothing by themselves.
Proof: I haz gr8 kb, i sux.
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-11-29 19:33:20 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
God's Apples wrote:

You're a moron.....


This, ladies and gentleman, is a pure #elitepvp pro! And he doesnt even wear sunglasses of +2 badassery (tm)!


That's why he's squinting
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#91 - 2013-11-30 18:41:47 UTC
The greatness of a PVP player is merely determined by the timeframe in between his decision to kill something and the moment his target(s) pop. What do the conditions matter to anyone but that PVP-er himself? Be it his wealth and SP that allow him to fly something fancy, be it his ton of friends... whatever he brings to the table, he evidently deserves to have it. And if you have it, what purpose does it serve not to use it? You can't really judge anyone else's efficiency... efficiency for what? I know their KB stats will deteriorate as soon as pilots tends to certain matters that put them at risk, even if the objective they gunned for was achieved. A phyrric victory is still a victory, and the damn stats don't even mention who held the field at the end and got all the delicious loot. Any relevance to ISK destroyed and what dropped is quite useless without the full context.

IMO a great PVP-er can get past that bureaucracy and have a good time shooting and other ships, making as few pilot errors and engagement mistakes as possible. And he spends most of his time either doing that or planning for it, improving himself every time.
Gorski Car
#92 - 2013-12-01 00:56:37 UTC
Pew Terror wrote:
Chessur wrote:
I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.

http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html


I see you posting a lot, but im not sure if you are a troll...

You talk a lot about solo PvP, but when checking your killboard all one can see you do is blapping frigs in a fotm cerb...


Not fotm anymore how u like the reload time?

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-12-02 14:59:30 UTC
Nyan Lafisques wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.

A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.

Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :)


Killboard stats means nothing by themselves.
Proof: I haz gr8 kb, i sux.

Yeah the number 1 on battleclinic atm has about 50 : 1 kill death vs MTUs

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-12-02 17:40:37 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Nyan Lafisques wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.

A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.

Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :)


Killboard stats means nothing by themselves.
Proof: I haz gr8 kb, i sux.

Yeah the number 1 on battleclinic atm has about 50 : 1 kill death vs MTUs


Yeah, they need to fix that.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Pew Terror
All of it
#95 - 2013-12-02 19:32:39 UTC
Gorski Car wrote:
Pew Terror wrote:
Chessur wrote:
I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.

http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html


I see you posting a lot, but im not sure if you are a troll...

You talk a lot about solo PvP, but when checking your killboard all one can see you do is blapping frigs in a fotm cerb...


Not fotm anymore how u like the reload time?


Shocked What kind of frigs are you flying that take 16 Cerb RL volleys on the chin?
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2013-12-02 21:48:02 UTC
A good pvper will both be on his corps top killers list and top losers list.

That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-12-03 01:52:41 UTC
Open ended question....


Deserves an open ended answer.

Depends what you do.


Sometimes it's experience, sometimes luck.

Sometimes it's picking the right fights, sometimes it's going all in and hoping for the best.

Sometimes it's having fun, sometimes it's achieving the strategic objective.

Sometimes it's KB stats, sometimes it's losing a ship.

Sometimes it's knowing what is going on and what everything does, sometimes it's not knowing.



Most the time it's being able to adapt and make the right snap judgments. And when you don't make the right call, learn from it. Most the time it's having fun cause it's a game, but being serious enough to have fun. No one likes losing all the time. Some times a loss is one of the best fights you'll ever have though.


It's not always the same mix of the above. Sometimes it's just getting plain lucky and capitalizing on that luck.


All in all though, it's a bit of all of it, and a deficit too. Have fun, learn, be willing to try new things, but don't try to fix things that ain't broke.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Gorski Car
#98 - 2013-12-03 11:35:18 UTC
Pew Terror wrote:
Gorski Car wrote:
Pew Terror wrote:
Chessur wrote:
I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.

http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html


I see you posting a lot, but im not sure if you are a troll...

You talk a lot about solo PvP, but when checking your killboard all one can see you do is blapping frigs in a fotm cerb...


Not fotm anymore how u like the reload time?


Shocked What kind of frigs are you flying that take 16 Cerb RL volleys on the chin?


one that warps after 8 volleys and leave you unable to kill my friend before reload. Or just about any linked t2 frig

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#99 - 2013-12-03 15:54:58 UTC
All your killboards are ****, learn 2 play #winning

nom nom
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#100 - 2013-12-03 17:11:53 UTC
Nyan Lafisques wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.

A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.

Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :)


Killboard stats means nothing by themselves.
Proof: I haz gr8 kb, i sux.


Second proof: I haz bad kb, but Im gr8

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