EVE General Discussion

Wow, OP makes a solid case representing people who cannot keep RL and EVE seperate.

Donating for a good cause should be encouraged. If the donations come about via activities in a video game, even better.

Ain't nobody forcing you to donate for good cause. Just deal with the wardec, as countless EVE denizens have done before.

CCP has answered petitions on similar questions discouraging this type of behaviour, and rightly so as it runs the risk of tainting the pool of EvE donations to the RC. As far as I'm aware, a couple of pirates have asked if they can ransom people with the condition that the ransom be sent to PLEX for Good and have been told not to do this but to collect the ransom as normal and to donate it themselves. There is absolutely no need for MC to bring PLEX for Good into their wardecs - they can simply demand isk as normal and make the donations themselves. By coercing people into making donations they risk souring people on the whole idea of using EvE for charitable projects without providing any benefit at all for the charity. It would really be best if they stopped this.

Also, consider how the RC might feel if someone contacted them and informed them that they had been blackmailed into making a donation. That kind of thing might well lead them to be unwilling to associate with CCP in the future. Again, there is absolutely no charitable upside to this and significant potential downsides, so it would be good if they stopped ASAP.

This thread alone justifies the concept.

You'd rather pay them off directly to drop the war dec, so they maybe could buy a plex with the spoils?
What difference does it make? However they frame their conditions, it's up to you to deal with it.

They're perfectly entitled to wardeccing you for whatever reason they choose.
Whatever they do with whatever you give them is not up to you.

If you don't want to give in to their demands, just go to low sec.. no need to post a whiny thread.

There's just no reason to bring PFG into it at all though. If they want to contribute then they can just charge whatever they like and make the donation themselves. Nothing at all positive comes for the charity drive from this approach and that should really be the primary consideration.

And it is, of course, blackmail. Do x or you will suffer negative consequences y is just what blackmail is. Now, that's absolutely fine in EvE but this the PFG initiative has one foot in EvE and one foot in the real world so particular care has to be taken with associating behaviours that are unacceptable in the real world but fine in EvE with it. There just seems no good reason to link the ransoms to PFG in this case as no benefit accrues to the charity over MC simply making the donation themselves from the isk they take.

What else should we expect from hisec mercs.

But yeah, it's not a really good intentioned thing. It's other people's isk/plex getting coerced into it. If they did care then they'd use their own isk/plex they are paid in their normal business to wardec people to put towards the campaign.

Or depending on their rates put out a deal or something like wardecc'ing for you, for a donation to it. I'm sure that could even drum up more wardecs than usual. Or an "all new wardec contracts during x time go towards PLEX for Good".

I would like to see what the marmites have to say about this as I don;t really trust in npc corp alts. Maybe there is a misunderstanding, maybe the marmites will use the isk gained from wardecs to donate it to the Plex for Good cause, which is a whole different story.

Forcing people into charity actions is wrong, no matter what. You should donate because you understand the tragedy and want to help those poor kinds and families whom lost everything they just had, including their beloved ones. And we have this great and unique opportunity where we can transform our space pixels into real money and help people in need, thank you CCP for doing this! And we help because we care, not because badges, shirts, fame or any rewards... and most of all, not because somebody is forcing us to do it.

The point to CCP writing surrender into the game IS SO THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN BE MADE TO USE IT.

Perhaps their victims are more likely to cough up when they are donating to a good cause, thus raising a bit of extra money for said good cause, that wouldn't have been available otherwise?

I'm sure none of the rl victims will mind that their food and shelter were paid for in part due to the actions of *ebil piwates* in a video game.

So it's ok to squeeze it out of people as long as you the agressor thinks it's for a good cause ? Got some news for you, noone does anything in this world without thinking in his mind that it's a good thing for one reason or another after weighing in the positives and negatives. Still we have wars in the real world over all kinds of stupid crap. Stop imposing what you think is good on others nomatter how clear it might be. Do and keep it ingame.

You are being serious, are you ?

Blackmail is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain or cause loss to another unless a demand is met.[1][2] It may be defined as coercion involving threats of physical harm, threat of criminal prosecution, or threats for the purposes of taking the person's money or property.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail