Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am in a good position. I managed to make enough cash with my HML Drake before Retribution. So I was able to withstand the costs of skilling out of missiles. Plus the insurance from the losses of said drakes in lvl4s after the expansion also helped me out.

Regardless, I am completely out of Caldari ships in terms of combat. I may consider the use of certain ones for ECM but not if that gets nerfed too. So if I may say best of luck to you there.

Now moving on, I am not about to give up on the concept of fair-play and balance. Missile mechanics are broken and have been at least as long as I have been playing. Turrets get a major buff compared to missiles in the T2 versions. Missiles only get a ROF bonus with specialization skills which does nothing for the damage application issue. That said, missiles are great for two things: bashing structures and practically immobile ships (caps and supercaps).

Well, I had some fun bashing CCP Rise for failing in his job description/responsibilities to monitor his own threads on both Reddit and Twitter. No, I just made the accounts a few minutes ago for that express purpose.

Yeah, ECM. The e-war everyone loves to hate. The irony being is its very easy to counter. For small gangs its tricky but for fleet fits, its very straightforward, but nobody wants to fit for it, train the skills, or use the command ship to increase ship sensor strength. Combine that with the fragility of the ships using it, and I'm not sure its truly broken, its just that people don't like giving up DPS or a slot to counter it. Add in the ability for ships to add some remote ECCM support to stuff like logistics, and there is little reason to be worried about it in a well fit gang.

There is also an element of skill to it and its something different to do in the game.

http://www.thedeadrabbitsociety.com/blog/comments/pain_and_pleasure

Lets just hope they give us more than 10 days before release of the expansion they change it in. Given they've screwed over most Caldari ships lately (resist nerf, missile nerfs, lack of EHP bonus on vulture, nighthawk midslots etc) I'm not convinced it will be good news.

I think it's a good idea for people to keep this thread alive myself. Sooner or later it might get their attention. Going silent on the other hand never will.

If that does happen then I am going to be livid and that is a cosmic understatement...

Of course, there is the point that is pretty easy to turn something into a PR nightmare for a company. All it takes is someone with the right connections and/or tenacity. That and I did some research during Retribution, CCP counts for a pretty size-able part of Iceland's economy. So, if they cross the "Rubicon" with the player base, well we can cause some serious economic incentives both on the company and Iceland as a whole. A fact that it would be wise of them not to discount or ignore.

Anyway, back on topic...



I love that new nickname for that particular CCP employee. Mind if I borrow that in future? ^_^

Besides the proposal that i made for missile mechanics changes still stands. I admit that it isn't perfect but it is a hell lot better than the present one. No offense to my fellows that spent a good amount of time working out similar proposals.

Yes, "Margin Trading"... because it's such a balance issue. And it's not like there's any ships or weapons left to rebalance...



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After spending an evening screwing around in Faction Warfare, I'm starting to develop an affinity for the new RLMLs. They will not generally allow you to go head-to-head against a comparably-sized vessel, but they are immeasurable in "pest control". I drove off 2 small frigate-based attacks when the RLMLs put one past armor and well into hull and allowed me to dictate range in the other (microwarpdrives aren't limited to frigates). As previously stated, I cannot underscore enough that these cannot be used as a primary weapon - but only to supplement. That CCP40sec equates to either death or a reprieve in PvP.

I still think the RLML reload needs to drop to 20 seconds -or- increase the ammunition by 1/3.

Yes, Command ships were such a hit in Odyssey... and Marauders in Rubicon. Now a tentative nerf to Serpentis webs. Let's not forget pirates and T3s. I think if we keep working at it we can manage to **** off just about everyone in EVE while we wait for 'GoonGate'...

You guys really can't continue to claim I haven't acknowledged your negative feedback.

I first responded to concerns here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3851753#post3851753
then I responded again here after reading more feedback: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3864075#post3864075
and finally I directly commented on the volume of complaints and why I wasn't acting based on them in this post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3864922#post3864922

Look at the previous page of feedback. Several posts calling me names or talking about ECM, and one post from someone actually using RLML who says they are enjoying them. This is a really good example of how the thread has gone in general and represents why I haven't made big changes so far.

Since launch, I've been continuing to monitor the effect of the rapid missile change through usage metrics, discussion with CSM, conversation with players I know who are using them and using them myself on TQ. I see that some places, especially in this thread, there's a lot of frustration still about the change in general but the majority of it is lacking any substance except for the simple claim that 40 seconds of reload isn't fun.

I'm going to continue to watch this very closely and won't hesitate to make changes if I'm convinced (or others in my department) are convinced that they are needed.

edit: I want to add that I hope to never make a big balance change this late in a release cycle again. I felt that it was worth it in this case because rolling out Rapid Heavies with the intention of making a big change to their mechanic shortly after release would be worse than getting them out with the right mechanic and time to tune them if the balance wasn't exactly right. This trickled down to RLML as well. I still think that was the right decision but I want to work to avoid having to do it in the future.

give me front loaded damage, selectable damage types, exccelent projection and tracking and I'd happily have it


@CCP Rise:

Could you please look into the turret version of these weapons (the Dual 150mm rails, quad light beam lasers etc) because those things are god awful at shooting frigates. The 150mm rails fitted to a thorax using Javelin with a scrammed and webbed and tracking computer can't even hit a cruiser anywhere inside it's engagement envelope.
The damage of these weapons and the range is just fine. Their tracking is just so terrible.

You haven't acknowledge that light missiles are stupid, perhaps because you only look at 'usage metrics'.