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Idea: Give a badge to everyone who donates to Plex for good campaign
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Fighter Maurset
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-11-26 18:17:20 UTC
Dunpeal Hunter wrote:
I was just thinking, it would be awesome if CCP could give out standard badges to everyone who donates to the Plex for Good campaign that is currently running.

The Badge would be just like any other badge out there that are handed out by corporations, meaning that people can decide for themselves if they want to show it or not, and it would not give any kind of bonus.

It would just be a recognition towards the players themselves and others so that everyone can see that they are (at least at the moment they donated) kind of heart and think of other people who are in desperate need of help outside this game.



No! It does not work like that. Donations and gifts to the poor should be given in secrecy...
If you let the poor and friends praise you because you let them know, then that is your reward. Praise from humans.
If the reciever does not know who to thank. Then they can thank God for the help. And God shall investigate and remember your good deed.

Now you know...

If my pilot is certain to face death... I want full ramming speed towards the enemy ship...
Jessica Braun
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-11-26 18:25:53 UTC
Maximillan Lancaster wrote:
If you give just to get recognition, it's not giving.


OK, OP has a silly idea but regardless of motivation it is still giving. You can have a charitable soul and still desire public recognition for your efforts.

If I have the option of giving to the Philippines or the American Red Cross to help storm victims over the past weekend and decide to go with the Philippines because I also get some stupid badge, I am still giving to the charity.

Don't make it sound like you have to sacrifice more than your own money for it to be 'giving.'
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-11-26 19:59:26 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
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I'm POSITIVE they have lots of meetings. How else can they turn someone's pain and sickness into a paycheck for themselves?

Wanna buy some blank yellow t-shirts to print your "charities" logo on it? I have lots for sale super cheap becauase it's a "good cause".


If those groups don't put some of the money taken in for living expenses, how to you realistically expect them to devote their lives to the cause? Do you expect them to survive on fresh air and sunshine?

They also invest some of those funds in advertising and promotional events/rewards... because those generate even more donations. DONATIONS THAT HELP THOSE IN NEED.

I'm assuming you are an adult, so at least pretend to be realistic.

This is beside the point anyway, no one is taking any money donated to pay for salaries in this case... which makes it a big win for all concerned.

Have you seen what the CEO's and higher ups make in a charity? Its astronomical! To top it off they may have some workers work for them that do barely minimum wage but the rest are VOLUNTEERS. Thats right no money to them because they are volunteering their time to help a cause. I have no problem with people making money but if you are making millions of dollars yourself in a charity something needs to be looked at and people need to stop giving to that charity till their pay is decreased.

Goodwill is a prime example. Everything is given to them for free but they make money off it and iirc the ceo of that company rakes it in, into the millions of dollars on "helping" people. Its sad.. People should stop giving to them and give to charities that actually are a charity. Maybe the Salvation Army (not sure if they are money grubbers or not)


And what would you determine to be an appropriate salary for the CEO of an international organization that oversee's thousands of employee's and thousands more volunteers, handling the logistics of moving supplies across the globe daily?

It takes education and skill to run an organization like that, so you need a CEO that knows their stuff. I think you'll find that the salary range for comparable jobs pays considerably more.

Charity and relief organizations can't run on all volunteers, with talent from people that do other things for a living. It is a huge undertaking, and it requires money to run.

If you can't understand that this is what some people do for a living, and how they support their families, you need to seriously grow up. There is not, and hopefully never will be, a law that demands people that devote themselves to charity work must only be able to make less than anyone else would doing the same level of job.


Sorry its not just the money that the CEO's make, my example of Goodwill was they are the worst "charitable" place since they make money off everything that is given to them for "FREE" just like a thrift store but atleast the thrift store actually will buy the stuff from you for way less than what they'll charge but thats them running as a business.. That was my point on that..

My main point isn't how much the CEO actually makes its how much he makes in regards to how much the charity gives back. If you actually looked at charities they really aren't giving out nearly enough that people give to them. thats what my gripe about charities is..
Pretty Pennie Pava
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-11-27 01:39:19 UTC
Fighter Maurset wrote:


No! It does not work like that. Donations and gifts to the poor should be given in secrecy...
If you let the poor and friends praise you because you let them know, then that is your reward. Praise from humans.
If the reciever does not know who to thank. Then they can thank God for the help. And God shall investigate and remember your good deed.

Now you know...


best post in the thread
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#65 - 2013-11-27 02:07:16 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
You could ask yourself if it matters why people donate in the first place, as long as money is raised?


aka "The end justifies the means."

There is a corpus of medical research thoroughly tainted by the immoral and unethical means by which the information was obtained. Should we use that research? Does using it encourage other people to violate ethical and moral boundaries in their misguided attempts to "make the world a better place?"

If it doesn't matter how the money is raised, does that mean it is okay for charity collectors to accost people in the street and hold them at knife-point, demanding money? Charity muggers (or "chuggers") are a symptom of the disease, where the disease is charity organisations believing that the end justifies the means.

The end does not justify the means, neither do the means justify the ends. The ends and means must be justifiable on their own merits.

So yes, it does matter why people donate in the first place.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#66 - 2013-11-27 02:13:05 UTC
Dunpeal Hunter wrote:
I was just thinking, it would be awesome if CCP could give out standard badges to everyone who donates to the Plex for Good campaign that is currently running.

The Badge would be just like any other badge out there that are handed out by corporations, meaning that people can decide for themselves if they want to show it or not, and it would not give any kind of bonus.

It would just be a recognition towards the players themselves and others so that everyone can see that they are (at least at the moment they donated) kind of heart and think of other people who are in desperate need of help outside this game.



As nice is it is to recognize generosity, I have a problem with this proposal.

It's more than a link to RL.

The problem in RL is that we have an abundance of "more progressive than thou" types running about pretentiously touting how charitable they are and using such status as a whip.

What next, tolerance ribbons?


I think that the overall stats and the efforts of the developers running a charitable event whereby they will be shot, tattooed, and shaved ( see here ) depending on the donations is where the real recognition can be found. And it's one of the times when players can prove they are not as bad as the atmosphere and nature of the game itself implies.

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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#67 - 2013-11-27 03:14:12 UTC
While i'm not a supporter of "do good for the recognition"..

if these so called shirts already exist for ppl who do support plex for good, what happens when its community wide efforts, I know that the guys i do incursions with are pooling donations together for a big combined effort to help. Do we all get these? i think not. In that sense, completely aside from the whole issue of "good for recognition" - no 1 off items should be given out.
Scuzzy Logic
Space Spuds
#68 - 2013-11-27 04:34:43 UTC
Someone hasn't noticed there is a very conspicuous ''humanitarian'' t-shirt that was added to the market this hotfix...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#69 - 2013-11-27 05:32:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Mara Rinn wrote:
If it doesn't matter how the money is raised, does that mean it is okay for charity collectors to accost people in the street and hold them at knife-point, demanding money? Charity muggers (or "chuggers") are a symptom of the disease, where the disease is charity organisations believing that the end justifies the means.


Who are these modern day Robin Hoods, the chuggers?

Where do I sign up?

Sorry for taking your post so light-hearted. I just think it is funny to compare someone asking for a badge in an internet game to the use of unethically derived research findings, or the use of RL muggings to raise money for charity. Classic over analysis of the issue.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#70 - 2013-11-27 05:44:01 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
If it doesn't matter how the money is raised, does that mean it is okay for charity collectors to accost people in the street and hold them at knife-point, demanding money? Charity muggers (or "chuggers") are a symptom of the disease, where the disease is charity organisations believing that the end justifies the means.


Who are these modern day Robin Hoods, the chuggers?

Where do I sign up?

Sorry for taking your post so light-hearted. I just think it is funny to compare someone asking for a badge in an internet game to the use of unethically derived research findings, or the use of RL muggings to raise money for charity. Classic over analysis of the issue.


The chuggers are a real thing. Sure they aren't sticking you up at knife point, but they do accost you in public places and are quite willing to pull all stops when it comes to bullying victims into agreeing to donate.

What I was referring to in that post wasn't the OP asking for a badge, it was one of the responders who claimed that the motivation for the supply of money wasn't as important as the money actually being supplied. The logical progression is new fashion items as rewards for contributions, then other inducements, finally erupting into coercion.

How long until some hi sec care bear gets wardecced perpetually until they hand over the souvenir from a charitable donation? That might be awesome gameplay for the briefer, but doesn't provide a particularly positive emotional connection between the victim and the charity.

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#71 - 2013-11-27 06:09:43 UTC
Inquisitor Ageri wrote:
Ganking shouldn't need recognition. By bragging about the fact that you have ganked, you lessen the deed.

Fixed it.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#72 - 2013-11-28 15:03:54 UTC
I vote that we give a badge to the Philippine government for also figuring out a way to profit from your donations.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1063497


Anomaly One
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-11-28 16:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
.... Lol

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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#74 - 2013-11-28 23:20:18 UTC
I'll say one thing for EVE players: they sure represent a broad spectrum of opinions and ideas. In only 4 pages, we've got everything from Yes, to we're not a civic organization, to motivation matters, to give it up to God, to No. Wow, huh? I thought this was one of the more interesting things I read here today because it actually made me think about behavioral ethics.

If the cause is just, does the motivation behind the donation really matter?

I'm not so sure I agree that it does. When a country's blood supply runs low and it begins offering financial incentives to increase donations, does it matter that people are only donating for the cash? To those folks who would die without it, I'm betting not. Or when the government offers tax deductions for charitable donations or when churches pay the utility bills of the poor on the condition that they attend church, or pizza parties for honor students, or even santa's naughty/nice list, aren't these also behavioral incentivizations? In fact, would people even work at all if the concept of money didn't exist? It seems to me that all we have to do is look to see that human behavior is incentivized in a vast array of ways in our everyday lives.

Between the shirt already being offered and the assortment of dev pledges so far, this charity drive has already surpassed anything the community has done to date - and we've still got 9 days to go. Watching devs shave their heads and beat each other with sticks sounds much more exciting and rewarding imo. But there is a case to be made for those introverted, anal retentive players who would donate "specifically" for a badge, the set collectors who would want to own one of each kind, the fair-weather folks who would want to display their humanitarianism to show their moral superiority to the world, on and on. The shirt is a great idea but because it can be purchased on the market and traded between accounts, it will not appeal to certain demographics in the same way. Whether the badge-motivated folks make up a large enough share of the pool of potential contributors to justify incentivization is a question I cannot answer but if it can be shown that a minimal investment would yield a significant return then of course I'd support it.

At the end of the day, we've got to ask ourselves which matters more: the legitimacy of the cause or the character of the contributor. To me, this is a no-brainer. Once we've decided to involve ourselves, everything else is secondary to the preservation of human life.

YK