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Grim Realities of EvE: Microtransactions and the future of EvE.
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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#81 - 2013-11-26 18:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
I suspect this would go better if it was phrased as "hey, wouldn't it be cool if we could spend a little bit of money on pretties" instead of as an ominous prognostication about the ~future of EVE~ if it fails to acknowledge the ~grim reality~ of a hypothetical microtransactional future.

I say hypothetical because there are several prominent bets on the continued relevance of the subscription model, some of which very self-consciously use EVE as a model.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#82 - 2013-11-26 18:57:34 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

I, at no point, said it was critical to the survival of the game. I pointed out that successful MMOs were doing it and in all likelihood CCP was going to decide to do it too.


"Grim realities of Eve"

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Instead, we have a meandering diatribe about the use of a generic term, and a whole lot of random butthurt as opposed to actually bothering to consider the possibilities and issues surrounding it.


Well, these things just happen when you communicate poorly P

Nyla Skin wrote:
Batelle wrote:


Now you're just being unclear. WHO is doing the selling of virtual items? That's the salient point in defining RMT.


No it is not.

I admit that CCP does use the abbreviation in a way you describe. CCP is however not the world.


Now whose arguing pointless semantics?? CCP is not the world, but this is the Eve online forums and its populated by players of Eve online who by and large use the same definitions as CCP when it comes to "RMT." Doing otherwise would be stupid.

And its pretty obvious from the article linked that who does the selling DOES matter, at least when you're talking about which kinds of "RMT" CCP wants...

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2013-11-26 18:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
I know what it is.
Then you wouldn't make such a silly claim as pointing to it as an example of F2P or freemium. So which one is it?

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So, where are all my nex items for my subscription price?
On the market. You're not locked out from using them, after all.

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I'd just point out the aforementioned World of Tanks shows this to be untrue.
What does your WoT subscription provide you with?
What does your MT payment in WoT provide you with?
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-11-26 19:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Moneta Curran
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
I am curious what people would find acceptable for premium content. Does anyone think that additional ship models, as long as they have the same basic stats, would be 'too far'?



Seems to me you're just looking for a mouthpiece to forward your own questionable agenda.

:edit:

In case it's not blatantly obvious, I think that's a terrible idea.
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
#85 - 2013-11-26 19:02:49 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:


Tippia wrote:
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Technically, it most definitely isn't.
What, never understood what a PLEX actually is? It's one month of pre-paid subscription time.

EVE is a subscription game. Without a paid-for account, you can't play. This disqualifies it from fulfilling the “free” part of freemium.


I know what it is. I also know that it has an in game value, and can be bought and sold on the market. I can 'pay' without real world money. Thus it's 'free'.



Are the minerals you mine free to? Somebody paid for your account.

You want the deal, here is the deal
-Nearly everybody thinks F2P is bad for Eve Online
-Most don't care if you want to spend a PLEX and buy clothes for your avatar.

You also mentionined that this is the elephant in the room nobody wants to discuss. It has been discussed to death. There is 50+ page threadnaught on the front page that has been there for a month about RMT. If you are looking for arguments for or against I am sure you can find them here. Hell we have people complaining about donating money for hurrican relief.
Sevendeadly Sins
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2013-11-26 19:10:22 UTC
EVE online will never go F2P.

Like, never ever, because CCP isn't THAT ********.

http://www.zombo.com
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2013-11-26 19:14:46 UTC
Sevendeadly Sins wrote:
EVE online will never go F2P.

Like, never ever, because CCP isn't THAT ********.


I dream of a day where Goons have access to an infinite number of free, disposable alts.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-11-26 19:16:35 UTC
cygnet at his finest.
sadly, having people blocked doesn't hide their threads too.

his last great effort of annoying people was in minmatar chat,
when people made fun of him because he whined without end
when ccp somehow hurt his insanely bloated ego.

sometimes it's no fun blocking people.

nice to see him get the usual treatment he deserves,
without having to read him, though. ^_^
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-11-26 19:20:26 UTC
I vote to Lock all Micro transaction threads. Lest they be allowed to infect CCP and destroy the successful and continuously growing Eve we all love.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#90 - 2013-11-26 19:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Tippia wrote:
On the market. You're not locked out from using them, after all.


Not locked out of using them in TOR or WoT either.

Tippia wrote:
What does your MT payment in WoT provide you with?


Buy gold, pay sub, get additional credits and xp per kill. Don't pay, get standard rate. Not locked out of my stuff, not prevented from taking part in anything.

Dersen Lowery wrote:
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I say hypothetical because there are several prominent bets on the continued relevance of the subscription model, some of which very self-consciously use EVE as a model.


I might point out that one of the three MMOs has already had one failed launch.


Artimis Scout wrote:

Are the minerals you mine free to? Somebody paid for your account.


You obviously confuse me with someone who mines. I long ago worked out how to make more than enough isk to buy plex without even having to log in more than once in a while.

Artimis Scout wrote:

You want the deal, here is the deal
-Nearly everybody thinks F2P is bad for Eve Online
-Most don't care if you want to spend a PLEX and buy clothes for your avatar.


Well, that at least is something, but we already worked that out much earlier.


I was going to comment on Sol's post, but he's been repeating the same thing for years, because I made him look like an idiot once and somehow that has something to do with my Ego. Hey, Sol, you undocked yet?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#91 - 2013-11-26 19:23:05 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:


I know what it is. I also know that it has an in game value, and can be bought and sold on the market. I can 'pay' without real world money. Thus it's 'free'.



It's only free if you value your time at nothing. For every PLEX on the market CCP has already received real life money, they don't care if it's yours or somebody elses, it's already in the bank.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#92 - 2013-11-26 19:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
I vote to Lock all Micro transaction threads. Lest they be allowed to infect CCP and destroy the successful and continuously growing Eve we all love.


That's sweet, but it's still is OT. Anyone have any ideas, or are all you trolls just gonna keep going in a circle jerk?

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

It's only free if you value your time at nothing. For every PLEX on the market CCP has already received real life money, they don't care if it's yours or somebody elses, it's already in the bank.


This is true. However, let me ask you, is it functionally, from the players customers position, still 'free'? Am I spending real money on a sub? Better, am I able to sell that plex for other in game benefits? Particularly since this is eve and my 'time' in game is usually measured in the single digits per week and I still roll over enough profit to buy plex on the market.

But all that is irrelevant to the topic. Which is:

What is acceptable? We have a long rambling threadnoguht of idiots ranting. I say, lets find a middle ground.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#93 - 2013-11-26 19:24:38 UTC
I wish I could make ISK only logging in once in a while. Then I could log in once in a while and spend all the rest of my EVE time PVPing.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#94 - 2013-11-26 19:27:40 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Buy gold, pay sub, get additional credits and xp per kill. Don't pay, get standard rate. Not locked out of my stuff, not prevented from taking part in anything.
So standard freemium, not subscription or F2P, and thus completely unlike EVE . In particular, it has a lock on progression that you have to pay to unlock.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#95 - 2013-11-26 19:31:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So standard freemium, not subscription or F2P, and thus completely unlike EVE . In particular, it has a lock on progression that you have to pay to unlock.


I admit, I fail to see the progression lock. I am not, after all, prevented from progressing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#96 - 2013-11-26 19:31:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Buy gold, pay sub, get additional credits and xp per kill. Don't pay, get standard rate. Not locked out of my stuff, not prevented from taking part in anything.
So standard freemium, not subscription or F2P, and thus completely unlike EVE . In particular, it has a lock on progression that you have to pay to unlock.

Well, no lock actually. More like a throttle.

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-11-26 19:31:55 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_economy

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/09/26/informal-rmt-study-looks-at-microtransaction-effects-across-mult/
A gaming website and a wikipedia article that contradicts you. Color me convinced.


well, what are we supposed to use? Your brain? Lol
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-11-26 19:33:19 UTC
F2P and micro transactions are the future of EVE. They won't be able to compete with a similar game with a F2P model.
The Warfish
Goats Unlimited
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#99 - 2013-11-26 19:34:19 UTC
We already have RMT.

I trade CCP my real money, they give me a PLEX which I sell for isk. Money for in-game currency. The fact another player acts as middle-man isn't really a difference maker. It's still $$ for isk.

As for "Microtransactions", I fully support it for cosmetic/aethetic items, skins, etc.

NPC Corp. Faction Skin Ships that sell for one normal of that hull + Microtransaction, with no other differences? Fine.

Clothes. Walking-in-Stations Room Improvements. Etc. All fine.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#100 - 2013-11-26 19:35:13 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
I admit, I fail to see the progression lock. I am not, after all, prevented from progressing.

You're prevented from doing it at full speed.

Nerf Burger wrote:
F2P and micro transactions are the future of EVE. They won't be able to compete with a similar game with a F2P model.
As luck would have it, there are no similar games on the horizon, much less ones with a F2P model (probably because it would be hard to keep the QoS levels on the servers without such a reliable and steady income).