EVE General Discussion

I, at no point, said it was critical to the survival of the game. I pointed out that successful MMOs were doing it and in all likelihood CCP was going to decide to do it too. My point was, which seems to have been lost of people, was to sit down and discuss what we considered acceptable and what we did not, with the idea taht perhaps CSM might approach CCP and get us some new content.

Instead, we have a meandering diatribe about the use of a generic term, and a whole lot of random butthurt as opposed to actually bothering to consider the possibilities and issues surrounding it.

To talk semantics, real money transactions as a term can refer to either ALL transactions that require real money in a game (PLEX from CCP included) or it can be referring more strictly to just those transactions that are players selling in game items for real money.

Can we stop talking about that now and understand what the OP meant and go from there? Please?

Please take it from me OP..its in your best interest...let it go. I have some experience in this fight...this will not end well for you.

Let's get back on topic, people.

Anyway, we have Vanity items for character customization. We seem to have vanity skins for ships but let's nail that down.

Any other ideas?

I think we'll say a day when new "non-space" content is MT but space ships and related items will be left alone.

We'll be able to buy flaming hats to walk around in the station in, but no "gold ammo" that has any advantage over existing ammo.


Maybe we'll see large alliances pay a fee to have their logos and special skins on their ships though, but you'll never see one add to tanking capabilities unless it's a "fear tank" like "Don't gank that ship or we'll be in a world of hurt! Look who owns it!". Would this be acceptable? Well, it would require a special skin, meaning developer time would have to be spent on it.


Can MT and Subs co-exist? I expect that this will be the first game to really try it.

I'll still suck at this game no matter what happens.

Is this some kind of joke? It already exists in a lot of games. For example SWTOR. It has both subs + F2P (although F2P restrictions are so ridiculous I dont really want to call it F2P game) and a cash shop that sells unlocks for F2P players, special services like namechanges, vanity items and packs where you can randomly get rare vanity items.

It also exists in Eve, lol.

Not helpful for what you have in mind.. which apparently conflicts with what others have in mind?

Technically, it most definitely isn't.
What, never understood what a PLEX actually is? It's one month of pre-paid subscription time.

EVE is a subscription game. Without a paid-for account, you can't play. This disqualifies it from fulfilling the “free” part of freemium. Moreover, EVE has no lock on content or areas or progression that you have to pay to disable. This disqualifies it from fulfilling the “premium” part of freemium.


No, it's not a joke. What you're describing is just the common misunderstanding of what subscription and F2P actually are. They are not payment schemes; they're business models. More that that, they're mutually incompatible business model.

The subscription model is based around providing content; the F2P model is based on withholding it. Anything that purports to be a hybrid is only ever a F2P game with season passes on the content. EVE is simply a subscription-based game. It also offers some paid-for account services that are not related to the gameplay and which at this point are only really a combination of a hold-over from when it took actual developer effort to provide those services, and to somewhat disincentivise their use.

Double post

I'm waiting for any of them to say something relevant or interesting really. So far they're just meandering around, trying to troll but not really find anything to get a grip on.


I am curious what people would find acceptable for premium content. Does anyone think that additional ship models, as long as they have the same basic stats, would be 'too far'?