Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Absolutely not.

RLML got their tweak, and they might need further tweaking, reasonable ones, like Gypsio is saying.

My arguments are that HAML are far better than people here are saying (I'm not saying they are OP, I'm saying they are fine), and that HML don't need too much if they need any love.

Also, I'm affraid that neutron blaster have too low fitting, or null too much range, and that cruise missiles obsolete torps, but these are whole different subjects. I'm more of a nerf guy.

It's perfectly ok to use an AB on a cruiser ; it's perfectly dishonnest when you use the AB to "demonstrate" that missiles have crap damage application.

AB is a tanking module allowing a ship to avoid damage by increasing speed without increasing signature. Saying that the AB decrease missile damage is obvious as it work as intended ; saying that missiles should do more damage to AB cruiser is stupid as it's one of the rare ways to tank missiles damage and that's as stupid as asking for TD to not affect turrets.

CCP Rise - I haven't flown one yet because I'm super cheap and scared to lose money. I actually almost bought a Golem to try RHML the other day but then I saw 1.3b and decided to wait =P

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1rhv8y/iama_ccp_rise_game_designer_for_eve_online_ama/

Ohh, so poor are we? I will gladly give you a Caracal so you can try those brand new RLML and see whether they meet your expectations Actually I will sponsor Caracals if you wish to pvp and make 'Bringing solo back' vids like in good old days. I'm certain people will buyback all those RLML if you first show us how to use them

Bouh, you are perfectly entitled to your opinions about RLML and HAML, but looking through your kill mails, all you ever seem to fly are Gallente ships.

This begs the question, how do you know these missiles work so well, given you've never used them? It's a bit unfair I know, given you might have alts, but your character paints a very distinctly bias picture.

I'm going to admit right now that I used HML's on my Navy Drake to grind 3's so I'm one of the people that's been distorting the metrics They work fine if you send the drones after the small stuff and focus your missiles on the big stuff, also you don't need much tank for most 3's, so I had 3 Target Painter's on without a prop mod, along with the navy drake bonus I did get through most of them even with half trained skills. I needed some to help with the ones that had lots of little laser ships (I nearly died in one), I think they were blood raiders and it was just an EM frig orgy. Against HML or HAM didn't seem to matter even with the TP's they just refused to die, looking back I should have put on RLML for those and kept my tank instead of trying to target paint them, but I digress.

Having said that PVE is a lot more forgiving than PVP, and that's where heavy missiles are really not fit for purpose at the minute.

See my slightly earlier post were he said he doesn't test on the servers, he uses EFT/Pyfa with Fozzie. (He also likes to drop the soap)

Even with badass skills, implants, range rigs and long range kinetic ammo poor mwd Drake can barely reach 440dps at 48 km. No wonder I rarely see Drakes flying around. HML is almost equally pathetic though slightly better cause of longer range and greater damage application. My alt remembers having 600dps or more with heavies not so long ago

EDIT: I'm sorry, had ECM drones fitted with Hobs that would be close to 540dps. Ok, for T2 fitted Drake that's not too bad.

Maybe he just has slippery hands lol

He must have been joking? There's no way someone would change one module so drastically and release another similar module without at least some serious testing.

How do you know Earth is not flat ? How do you know it's not the Sun who orbit around the Earth ? How do you know malaria is not another country ?

If you had to have first hand experience to know or talk about anything, we would still be in the stone age.

So how do I know about missiles ? Maybe I saw them in action ? Maybe I used them ? Maybe I'm good at math and actually understand the missile damage equation ? Maybe I can elaborate hypothesis and verify them ?

I'll ask you a better question : How someone invent a new fit or tactic when it have never been done before ?

Also, there are facts, and how people see them.

Oh, and it's a computer game. A computer is a giant calculating machine. If you understand math, you should understand the game as far as numbers go.

Then add a layer of tactic and strategy and you're done.

How does a strategist know that his strategy will work by the way ?

Torps have bigger problems than the damage application, although that is probably the biggest problem and pervades the entire system of missiles beyond the light/rocket level. Torps either need 20-25% more range, or they need about 10% higher damage output (via a damage increase or a RoF increase or what have you). The word torpedo conjurs an image of a slow moving vessel packed to the limit with explosives that hit harder than a freight train loaded with Mack trucks. Instead what we have is a slow moving vessel packed to the brim with Rise's discarded ideas that is slightly more maueverable than a freight train.
This is all off-topic though...

What I would love to see right now though, is CCP start working on some continuous acceleration for missiles since it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have a maxV in space, even Eve space. You can backup the logic for ships having a maxV with some mumbo-jumbo about inertial dampeners or whatever, but missiles don't have squishie, fleshy things inside. Missiles are the only weapon that doesn't leave the weapon platform at it's maxV, and as such they should continuously accelerate until they impact their target while having an increasing chance to hit for reduced damage as the closing V increases. This would make long range cruise missile platforms more useful and would also benefit the range bonuses on Caldari boats in a reasonable way.

Again, all off-topic though and most likely will never even be a thought in the hive-mind of CCP.

Sounds good. I also think range and explosion hull bonuses should apply to them, and there needs to be a skill that reduces reloads to 30 seconds at max rank (5% per level). They also need to make swapping ammo take 10 seconds rather than the full reload time. If they do those things they might be genuinely decent while remaining true to the original concept.