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Sabina Jansen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-11-26 09:02:14 UTC
Kyetra wrote:
Jay mentioned the initial cap fight, but without much details as he was not there. So here's a report of that engagement.

Our fleets met at the edge of the POS bubble, with several mobile bubbles being deployed already around. At first RCC only took their T3's inside the bubble, but soon after both their Bhaalgorns and Archon followed. Our master-baiter Bhaal was the first to leave POS shields, got primaried and died soon after, but we had our caps outside already. We took down both their Bhaals instantly, as apparently their Archon didn't even triage, despite being in a bubble and unable to do anything else. Somewhere at this point two RCC Moroses warped in and began to apply DPS at one of our dreads. He was taken down to hull, but as our Archon pilot burned to him, he reffited with hull modules. At this point, his Moros was hull tanking their two Moroses like a boss. RCC's Archon went down in an instant, and all was left to do was to mop up remaining two RCC dreads and T3's.

After they died (dreads) or run away (some of T3's) we killed the remaining bubbles and proceeded to warp to their staging POS to reinforce it. With the hole control regained the rest of the events Jay described took place.

Result.
RCC lost over 18bil in this fight, with only ~1.5 bil Bhaal they were able to take down.


And oh yeah, that one other minor thing. You were evicted.

http://wormhol.es/J221356

Op Success.
Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#42 - 2013-11-26 09:05:52 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:


And it seems quite a bit hypocritical when you spend half your thread whinning about "batphones", but you are the one doing most of it, according to the story, and the killmails. Yes if they do it they are dirty blobbers, but if we do it we are strategic diplomats. That is EVE for you, whine about the blob and then use it whenever you can.

YaY wormholes, the land of petty grudges and consensual PVP.


Of course they are going to batphone, with the fleet that was inbound they needed all the help they could get. As stated above, this isn't about the batphone. It's about the motive behind the eviction.

They may have won the war but in reality, when the fight went down they got pub stomped by so called "farmers".
Kyetra
Polarized
#43 - 2013-11-26 09:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyetra
Sabina Jansen wrote:


And oh yeah, that one other minor thing. You were evicted.

http://wormhol.es/J221356

Op Success.


Let me reiterate this for you mate. You lost over 18 bil to "farmers" as you call us, with extremely poorly executed battle you should have no problem controlling. We may have been evicted, but what does this say about you?

And one more thing. This was actually the first proper battle you fought us. Before that you just reinforced our towers taking advantage of timezone difference with you being mostly US and us EU.
Jay Joringer
13.
#44 - 2013-11-26 09:17:57 UTC
Sabina Jansen wrote:

And oh yeah, that one other minor thing. You were evicted.

http://wormhol.es/J221356

Op Success.


Over 30 billion lost on your part is OP success? What would you deem as a failure?

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Sabina Jansen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-11-26 09:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabina Jansen
Kyetra wrote:
Sabina Jansen wrote:


And oh yeah, that one other minor thing. You were evicted.

http://wormhol.es/J221356

Op Success.


Let me reiterate this for you mate. You lost over 18 bil to "farmers" as you call us, with extremely poorly executed battle you should have no problem controlling. We may have been evicted, but what does this say about you?


Look in the mirror chick. What does this say about you? If you "won" the battle after we welped our 18Bil fleet, and you want to stand proud and pound your chest, then answer me this; why the hell would you evacuate everything anyways and destroy who knows how much in the process???? You could be sitting all cozy in your POS tonight but instead you're docked up in a station in K-Space.

Your argument has no point or validity. We set out to evict you at all costs. We won. The End.

Until we meet again :)

Oh yeah, I forgot to confirm that Daktak and RCC are in fact terrible.
Jay Joringer
13.
#46 - 2013-11-26 09:33:45 UTC
Sabina Jansen wrote:

Look in the mirror chick. What does this say about you? If you "won" the battle after we welped our 18Bil fleet, and you want to stand proud and pound your chest, then answer me this; why the hell would you evacuate everything anyways and destroy who knows how much in the process???? You could be sitting all cozy in your POS tonight but instead you're docked up in a station in K-Space.

Your argument has no point or validity. We set out to evict you at all costs. We won. The End.

Until we meet again :)

Oh yeah, I forgot to confirm that Daktak and RCC are in fact terrible.


If mopping up the trash people leave behind is winning, then GG.

Good to see you "winning" on the forums also.

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Sabina Jansen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-11-26 09:42:23 UTC
Jay Joringer wrote:
Sabina Jansen wrote:

Look in the mirror chick. What does this say about you? If you "won" the battle after we welped our 18Bil fleet, and you want to stand proud and pound your chest, then answer me this; why the hell would you evacuate everything anyways and destroy who knows how much in the process???? You could be sitting all cozy in your POS tonight but instead you're docked up in a station in K-Space.

Your argument has no point or validity. We set out to evict you at all costs. We won. The End.

Until we meet again :)

Oh yeah, I forgot to confirm that Daktak and RCC are in fact terrible.


If mopping up the trash people leave behind is winning, then GG.

Good to see you "winning" on the forums also.



Cute to see that someone is still fighting VL's battle for them; even on the forums. Actually it's adorable.

Don't hate us because we're terrible.
Viscis Breeze
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2013-11-26 09:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Viscis Breeze
Joan Greywind wrote:
wait so you successfully defended your hole, and then decided to clear out anyways?? maybe I read that wrong

I mean GF and all, you won the battle, but they won the war clear and simple, I really don't know what you are so giddy about.

They were out to do one thing and that thing was accomplished.

Also it comes down as massive self stroking when you recount "the good deeds" you are doing when it isn't really relevant to the story, look at me I am such a nice guy I returned all the iskies because I am so pure. "Real good guys" don't need to mention their deeds.

And it seems quite a bit hypocritical when you spend half your thread whinning about "batphones", but you are the one doing most of it, according to the story, and the killmails. Yes if they do it they are dirty blobbers, but if we do it we are strategic diplomats. That is EVE for you, whine about the blob and then use it whenever you can.

YaY wormholes, the land of petty grudges and consensual PVP.


Pyrrhic victory

Also operation potato:
http://daktak.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=23029

(Click operations > past campaigns)

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#49 - 2013-11-26 09:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
Viscis Breeze wrote:


Pyrrhic victory

Also operation potato:
http://daktak.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=23029



My point exactly, but it was a pyrrhic victory for the reds not you, you actually lost the objective, they won it (removing you from wh space) albeit at an excessive cost, the very definition of "pyrrhic victory" which as said they achieved and not you.

The way it was portrayed, a victory for void is completely false, a gf it is, a victory for void it is not.
GeneralJosh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-11-26 10:03:23 UTC
Viscis Breeze wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
wait so you successfully defended your hole, and then decided to clear out anyways?? maybe I read that wrong

I mean GF and all, you won the battle, but they won the war clear and simple, I really don't know what you are so giddy about.

They were out to do one thing and that thing was accomplished.

Also it comes down as massive self stroking when you recount "the good deeds" you are doing when it isn't really relevant to the story, look at me I am such a nice guy I returned all the iskies because I am so pure. "Real good guys" don't need to mention their deeds.

And it seems quite a bit hypocritical when you spend half your thread whinning about "batphones", but you are the one doing most of it, according to the story, and the killmails. Yes if they do it they are dirty blobbers, but if we do it we are strategic diplomats. That is EVE for you, whine about the blob and then use it whenever you can.

YaY wormholes, the land of petty grudges and consensual PVP.


Pyrrhic victory

Also operation potato:
http://daktak.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=23029

(Click operations > past campaigns)



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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#51 - 2013-11-26 10:05:41 UTC
Caius Beriat wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:


And it seems quite a bit hypocritical when you spend half your thread whinning about "batphones", but you are the one doing most of it, according to the story, and the killmails. Yes if they do it they are dirty blobbers, but if we do it we are strategic diplomats. That is EVE for you, whine about the blob and then use it whenever you can.

YaY wormholes, the land of petty grudges and consensual PVP.


Of course they are going to batphone, with the fleet that was inbound they needed all the help they could get. As stated above, this isn't about the batphone. It's about the motive behind the eviction.

They may have won the war but in reality, when the fight went down they got pub stomped by so called "farmers".



I am neither advocating nor denouncing batphoning, all I am saying it is hypocritical to whine about it throughout the whole thread and blog, portraying it negatively, while at the same time he is the one doing most of the batphoning.
Jay Joringer
13.
#52 - 2013-11-26 10:12:17 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
Caius Beriat wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:


And it seems quite a bit hypocritical when you spend half your thread whinning about "batphones", but you are the one doing most of it, according to the story, and the killmails. Yes if they do it they are dirty blobbers, but if we do it we are strategic diplomats. That is EVE for you, whine about the blob and then use it whenever you can.

YaY wormholes, the land of petty grudges and consensual PVP.


Of course they are going to batphone, with the fleet that was inbound they needed all the help they could get. As stated above, this isn't about the batphone. It's about the motive behind the eviction.

They may have won the war but in reality, when the fight went down they got pub stomped by so called "farmers".



I am neither advocating nor denouncing batphoning, all I am saying it is hypocritical to whine about it throughout the whole thread and blog, portraying it negatively, while at the same time he is the one doing most of the batphoning.


Show me the whining or the declarations of victory. You've read those things into there for yourself while missing the point which I've emphasied twice already in this thread for those that are slow on the uptake.

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Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-11-26 10:18:07 UTC
I have to say I find it very pleasantly refreshing to observe WH forum drama thread which involves some new names.

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Keksi Pipari
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-11-26 13:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Keksi Pipari
I'd like to thank everyone who came in to help us. It's nice to know we got friends in this brutal universe. I hope we can come help you in return some lovely day, and fight beside you again.

I'd also like to thank daktak for the good fights. Especially the first fight with caps, that was awesome stuff, and our lovely FC rocked like usual and our dread tanked like a baws. It's funny how we went into the fight thinking "we're so gonna lose this, but lets go down guns blazing", but it turned out that Daktak had no idea what they were doing and got F'd in the A.
I'd also like to thank them for padding our killboard. I'll gladly fight you guys anytime!

Great blog post mate. Love the Dune-quote, I'm a huge fan.

Also, great drama guys. *Gets popcorn & soda*.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#55 - 2013-11-26 15:16:10 UTC
Jay Joringer wrote:
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
we aren't starting threads complaining about batphoning.


You can try to spin it that way if you want, but here's a couple of things incase you missed them.

-This thread isn't about Disavowed and they never had any input

-No one cared about you guys screaming for help (didn't do you guys any good anyway). It was about your initial motives and how you tried to tell everyone Void-Legion were evil farmers that needed evicting because you were butthurt about something that happened somewhere in ancient history.



Corrections:

- This thread was started by some random who is attached to Disavowed, so input is there.

- Daktak had one member ask if people wanted to get in on some kills, since VL had "contracted" Disavowed to help them, which took it out of the Alliance V. Alliance situation. Disavowed, who love to be in the middle of drama, obliged. Obstergo doesn't have any ancient history with VL and when asked if we'd be interested in the Operation/Eviction of VL, we were told it was an "old grudge match" and the term "farmers" was never mentioned.

- You can make up as much bull **** as you want to smear, but at the end, you are some third party trash stirring **** up because you want to be relevant. I suspect Max just attracts your sort of kind to his fold.

- VL has said good fight, we have said good fight. Leave it alone. We lost ships (We already said we were terrible), but the objective of RCC was not to win every battle, it was to EVICT Void-Legion from their wormhole. That happened. Operation was successful, regardless of losses. You can continue to nitpick and whine about "blobbing", "batphoning", "farmers", or whatever else, but at the end of the day, we set out to do something, we did it, deal with it.

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Jay Joringer
13.
#56 - 2013-11-26 15:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jay Joringer
Proclus Diadochu wrote:

- the objective of RCC was not to win every battle, it was to EVICT Void-Legion from their wormhole. That happened. Operation was successful, regardless of losses


This here is the whole point. You can skirt around it and fling mud at me or anyone else involved if you like. You can even dismiss it as attention seeking or smears if you can’t handle the alternatives.

I got involved because this was your intention and the end result was that VL had the choice. Their choice made your op a ‘success’. Thing is, I was privy to a call for help and your man did use the term ‘farmers’, so let’s not pretend it never happened. Doesn’t really matter to me how far removed Obstergo were from that, specifically.

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Aelias Zero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-11-26 15:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelias Zero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEitrZU-nCw

Some uplifting **** for our terrible alliance.

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Freddie Merrcury
Fukushima Daiichi Electric Power Co.
#58 - 2013-11-26 17:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Freddie Merrcury
Jay Joringer wrote:
Sabina Jansen wrote:

Look in the mirror chick. What does this say about you? If you "won" the battle after we welped our 18Bil fleet, and you want to stand proud and pound your chest, then answer me this; why the hell would you evacuate everything anyways and destroy who knows how much in the process???? You could be sitting all cozy in your POS tonight but instead you're docked up in a station in K-Space.

Your argument has no point or validity. We set out to evict you at all costs. We won. The End.

Until we meet again :)

Oh yeah, I forgot to confirm that Daktak and RCC are in fact terrible.


If mopping up the trash people leave behind is winning, then GG.

Good to see you "winning" on the forums also.



I asked this in local a few times but no one answered


Who the **** are you and why are you acting as the -VL- cheerleading squad?

I been kicked out of better homes than this.
Calmatt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-11-27 00:01:29 UTC
I love reading about butthurt on the forums.
Kinraka
Things To Do...
#60 - 2013-11-27 00:21:21 UTC
Jay Joringer wrote:
Sabina Jansen wrote:

And oh yeah, that one other minor thing. You were evicted.

http://wormhol.es/J221356

Op Success.


Over 30 billion lost on your part is OP success? What would you deem as a failure?


Not evicting them ...

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