EVE General Discussion

I recall this being the popular opinion during monoclegate. IIRC, the hubbub was primarily over their unwillingness to actually take a position against "golden ammo"/non-vanity items.

Since when can you make real money into ISK in EVE legally*? That would totally be pay2win.

Call me sarcastic if you will.




* Legally - In compliance with the EULA.

I don't really see how microtransactions would benefit the game.

I can see why someone wants custom skins. But this is a sandbox game so the most sensible thing would be either to let players make them themselves or distribute them as rare drops so they can be traded on the market as any other item.

I played a certain MMO, I'm not sure whether it would be a good idea to mention it's name, that had a system where the colors were drops, you could buy game money with real money from the game company and you could then buy any color you liked, or any other item. So that would be a way. Buy PLEX, sell plex, buy colors or skins or whatever. No need for micro transactions.

Let's see... Is there any part of the game that could be affected by microtransactions that wouldn't disrupt gameplay? Interface skins à la Dota 2? Nope we already have that to the extent it's possible and or useful. Vanity items? Nope, see above. Boosters for damage, SP and x&y would disrupt gameplay and would disadvantage normal paying customers.

Did I miss something?

Now for the topic of +$. If CCP really wanted to make money, they wouldn't make a F2P title for a plattform that is not the plattform of their primary success. They would ask 60$ for it or make it subscription based just like EvE. They wouldn't give it away. It doesn't broaden their audience, it doesn't even target their core audience, the decisions regarding Dust are debatable. That aside, they wouldn't divert money to side projects like valkyrie because there are deadlines, they wouldn't divert money to WoD because they have a working game that makes money, why switch horses, they wouldn't improve their game because right now there are people playing and paying for it, so it must have value, why change anything...

If you really believe CCP is interested in money foremost I think you don't get them. They are a company yes, they need money for their operations and their families and that's fine. I'm happy I can support them because they continue to deliver this product. It still works, it's still running which is something you can't say of so, so many other games.

In other words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F18B1SiQFVc

does this look like "grim reality" to you? Like they're in for the money?

As much as other players sometimes complain, "CCP give us this, CCP give us that, CCP why don't you listen to me, it's broken I tell you", I think they don't see the many many areas where they do listen. I joined only recently, that is to say I follow the meta-verse that surrounds eve for about a year now with some breaks, so I wasn't there when the whole Incarna thing went down.

I watched the recent somer thing develop and, wow would you look at that, they did something. They wouldn't do what they do if they were in for the money or if they didn't care. If they were they would sue somer. They would ban everyone affiliated with him. Everyone that bought or sold to him. Everyone. I'm sure they have logs. What probably happened was that they thought to themselves: "Does it really help us to ban the thousands of participants? All that does is reduce our player base, better fade things out slowly."

I try to concentrate on how they implemented Probe formations, the new interface background stuff that makes buttons and lists and trees faster, the new Isis system. Crimewatch. I mean I'm no fan of the new hacking minigame. I don't really like it. Boohoo. Look at the stuff they do. You could argue they are getting our money so you deserve this. Maybe you do. But other companies would take your money for the horse armor and run. They give you a season pass or half an hour of overpriced DLC and say "well... there you go!". The amount of devs that lurk the forum is significantly higher than with other games or companies.

And they heard the players when they said no microtransactions.

(Now please CCP, please don't let me down on this one.)

To you who appears to be thinking you have to solve their hypothetical problems, please, just let them do their job. They're doing good as far as I'm concerned.

Actually that perfectly reflects my point. They bought it from a bankrupt company, likelihood at a rock-bottom price and will use it solely for it's name and past successes.

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There pretty much nothing to suggest that. Especially since CCP has gone out and stated that there is no way to turn EVE into an MT-based game.

Yes, thank you. And thank you for the edit, adding a link to the Timecode Bazaar, but you missed the sarcasm fleet that warped by. You could've at least answered since when, not where, because that was the (sarcastic) remark (question).

Much love, Nomad ♥

Exactly this!

The whole expansion was a room, we were FORCED into on docking, that melted peoples graphics cards. After being teased for the previous 2(?) years with talk of walking around stations, meeting other capsuleers, hanging out in bars etc.

Its easy, the cosmetic stuff is produced by the art team. the rest of the dev team can continue working on Flying Spaceships stuff.
(although someone will have to spend time to develop the cosmetic shop)

Dripfeed cosemtic stuff while continuing to improve the core game.

As Eve is not currently dying, and in fact growing, there isn't a particular need to address it at all. If its wildly unpopular, its because you're spouting nonsense.



The go-to means for non-established MMOs, or those with low budgets, or those that fail at launch. In other words, not Eve.



I don't think you know what RMT means.

Also, no one really has been opposed to the expansion of AUR for customization options. If you think this was what the summer of rage was about, you may not have been there yourself. "I was there."

So, World of Warcraft is not an established MMO? They have it too. Looking around at the 'heavyweights' almost all of them have something, ranging from the strictly vanity to the aforementioned gold rounds for WoT.

Point of fact, more MMOs that stuck to the subscription model have failed this year than ones that did not (WAR being a glaring example of this, though the real killer there was EA's failure to do anything at all with it for years).



http://www.killerguides.com/blog/mmorpg/the-rise-of-freemium-why-freemium-is-the-new-premium-in-mmos
http://www.gfk.com/magazine/techtalk/techtalk-disruptive-technologies/the-rise-of-freemium-gaming
http://www.mondiamedia.com/en/news-press/press-releases/freemium-games-keep-up/

Those were the ones I found just googling for a few moments. I'm sure there are more, however...



On Wargaming.net Aside from also buying the struggling gas powered games, big world LLC, and the aforementioned licenses, they've also been supporting museums and expeditions around the world recovering 'lost' WW2 area aircraft in particular and donating heavilly to charity.

According to every financial report I've found, they're fiscally doing fine. Despite the dire predictions of War Thunder players, the sudden collapse of WoT etc is no more likely than EvE.

They're even hiring.

In this case Aurum.

I don't understand why they are having a hard time with the idea that RMT covers a very wide array of activities that includes micro-transactions.