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mack highsec fit

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#1 - 2013-11-25 23:35:07 UTC
hello gents...

I'm wondering which path to go on the new mack I'll be able to fly in few days.. was going to fool around with the exhumers and see which one I like most etc...

in the past I flied this fit of the ret and survived all gank attempts on me which were from catalys\coercer\thrasher dessy ships:

Quote:

[Retriever, ret test 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

EHP: 10559
Yield(no drones): 1275 m3 \ minute


Now I was wondering if I managed to survive in that ship I might be doing something right and lets take it step forward and test the mack. [Note: I'm still on mining barrage IV as I train rank 5 so we are missing 4% resists bonus and ofc exhumer skill yield bonus, also iirc shield compensation skills will affect some of this modules and I still got those on rank 1]

Option 1: Tanky \ 2 MLU
Quote:

[Mackinaw, Mack starter test]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Survey Scanner II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

EHP: 26,205
Yield(No Drones): 1170 m3 \ minute
Yield(Miner Drone I X 5): 1296 m3 \ minute


Option 2 - Max yield \ 3 MLU

Quote:

[Mackinaw, Mack starter test]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

EHP: 17577
Yield(No Drones): 1275 m3 \ minute
Yield(Miner Drone I X 5): 1401 m3 \ minute


As we can see the two option are much more tanky and stats could be even more tanky once I'll train extra needed skills which train quick so our question is if I survived number of time in that retriever fit which one of the two mack fits I posted you find more attractive for HS mining solo.. I don't do afk mining btw.

Third option for the fun and such... Skiff! [note: remember i miss some skills so stats are actually should be higher]
Quote:

[Skiff, skiff1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

EHP: 60626
Yield(No Drones): 1170 m3 \ minute
Yield(Miner Drone I X 5): 1296 m3 \ minute


so which one? :P
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#2 - 2013-11-26 13:01:50 UTC
Fitting #1 for the Mackinaw, as you want lots of EHP to be gank proof. A smoking wreck doesn't mine anything ;)
If you want to use a Skiff, put a Damage Control II instead of a second MLU, and you won't be bothered by any gankers in high sec (maybe by a gang, but that's a different thing).
Also, fitting an afterburner on a Skiff greatly increases its tank, just orbit something with active AB, and ganker have even harder times hitting you, plus no more slow boating around in a belt.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#3 - 2013-11-26 13:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalelmir Ahashion
hmm point there with the skiff....

I tested on EFT with my lacking skills which i still need to train before I can fly one but...

Quote:

[Skiff, skiff1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Small Shield Extender II
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

EHP: 73785
Yield(no drones): 1073 / minute
Yield(Mining Drone I X5): 1199 / minute


wow dat skiff got such a uber tank it's ridiculous!


EDIT:
seems I lack skills to fit an AB but not so bad considering skiff got 200+ m\s as base speed in first place.
and why orbiting a rock and not stay aligned so when i need to warp out I won't get stuck in a rock or something?

and there is a point in havin 1 salvage drone as extra cash from rats while mining?

btw the mobile tractor unit... worth having for belt wrecks?
Quickining
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-11-26 14:30:04 UTC
yes the mobile tractor is worth having in belt with you. definitely if your in a cosmos constellation, you lose 100 m3 in your cargo hold but , you can make mining a lot more profitable. yesterday i got 4 tags from belt rats in a couple hours total salvage and loot was worth more than i mined. other times it's only a couple million but if anyone else is mining with you in the belt just ask if they mind abandoning their wrecks.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#5 - 2013-11-26 14:31:31 UTC
Well, orbiting something gives you speed, and makes tracking more difficult. Most gankers fly destroyers, blaster catalysts are very common.
A moving target is always more difficult to hit due to tracking and optimal. Especially blaster catalysts need to be very close to a target to do maximum damage, and by simply orbiting a can or a rock at full speed, you negate some, if not even most of that. All of that can give you some more seconds to live, before concord shows up. But most single high sec gankers will leave you alone as retrievers and badly tanked mackinaws are easier targets than a procurer or a skiff.

Regarding salvage drones and the mobile tractor unit: it adds up, but don't expect much. You may have a few faction spawns show up, those may be worth looting and salvaging, but the usual high sec belt rats are worth only a few thousand isk in bounty, and the loot is barely worth anything. But again, it adds up, you can still sell that stuff for some extra isk. I don't really bother with those when I mine, I field a full flight of light combat drones and a second with 4 mining drone and a single combat drone, enough to get rid of those annoying belt rats.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#6 - 2013-11-26 14:55:37 UTC
can people take stuff from the tractor unit?
can people shoot it freely?
can people steal it?
does it have reinforce like the mobile depot?

couldn't find an answer to those questions... :X

and from your experience solo flying a mackinaw with let's say 26k ehp like on the first fit here... on 0.5 doable? or I'm asking to be shot at?
if true then what is lowest sec status you would mine in mack?
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#7 - 2013-11-26 15:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Selaria Unbertable
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
can people take stuff from the tractor unit?
1. can people shoot it freely?
2. can people steal it?
3. does it have reinforce like the mobile depot?

couldn't find an answer to those questions... :X

4. and from your experience solo flying a mackinaw with let's say 26k ehp like on the first fit here... on 0.5 doable? or I'm asking to be shot at?
if true then what is lowest sec status you would mine in mack?


1. - 3. Yes, but they get suspect, no and no. But you can always scoop it into cargo bay if you are close enough, its cargo will be dropped as a can if you do so, allowing everyone to steal it unless you emtpy the MTU's cargo hold first.

4. Depends on the system and constellation, I would say. I'm usually mining with my industry character, as she can't fly any good combat ships. And to do something useful while exploring or doing missions with this one, in case I don't have to haul my products and have time to spare. Better than just sitting around in a station doing nothing. And the minerals add up, reducing my hauling runs by a tiny bit. Solo mining is not very profitable, but every bit helps.
If you want to increase safety while mining, add known ganker corps and individuals to your contact list, and give them a -5 or -10 standing, that way you can easily spot them in local. Ask your fellow miners in the belts, and always fly something you can afford to lose. Be at the keyboard, chat, browse or whatever you like, so you can keep an eye on local and dock if necessary.
As a POS owner I stick to 0.7 systems cause of free moons, and I usually mine there too due to the short transportation ways, and the last system I was based at as well as the current one have been very quiet for months.
Tharin Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#8 - 2013-11-26 15:53:55 UTC
I've been running the following Mack in a 0.6 for over a year. It's in a 30-60 person system depending on time of day. There are some opportunity gankers around, but so far I've avoided even running into them. Plus the occasional James315 nutbars that sail through from time to time.

[Mackinaw, Thumper]

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x5
Salvage Drone I x2
Mining Drone II x3

30.9K EHP, 19K of it in shield. Yield is 1126/minute at my skills, with T2 mining crystals, without drones. The nanofiber cuts your align time by 2 seconds, and adds 10 m/s to your sublight speed. The key benefit of the Mack is the ore hold. The Skiff is basically a battleship, but the hold is much smaller.

With the new Mobile Depot, you can really just bring all your tank modules with you. As long as you're not afk, if a gank shows up, you can swap modules out of the depot you've already set up, and go from uber miner to uber tank. Even fit warp core stabs to gtfo. They can shoot the depot if you leave, but with a 2 day reinforce, you're going to be able to come back and scoop it with a destroyer or something later.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2013-11-26 16:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
hello gents...

I'm wondering which path to go on the new mack I'll be able to fly in few days.. was going to fool around with the exhumers and see which one I like most etc...

in the past I flied this fit of the ret and survived all gank attempts on me which were from catalys\coercer\thrasher dessy ships:


The first retriever fit you posted is pretty much completely untanked. The fact that you survived any gank attempts with it should not be taken as an endorsement for the fit. If you didn't die to a single destroyer in that fit, then it was a terrible fail gank. That fit would die to anything that looked at it.

For the mack, I think your 2MLU fit could stand to get a bit more tanky. It is possible to fit a MSE on a mack. There are also considerations for CPU usage and capacitor, but I would encourage using active hardeners over resistance amps and having to mess around with compensation skills. DG hardeners are probably best, as they're cheap (except the EM one), and are easy on the CPU and capacitor, and are far better for your EHP than resistance amps. Also consider leaving the EM resistance hole and instead hardening against kinetic, just because catalysts are the ship of choice for suiciders, but thats up to both personal preference and the area of space you're in. Of course, if someone just doesn't like you, they can easily just bring more catalysts to kill you.

Not much of a miner myself, but something like this..

[Mackinaw, New Setup 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Survey Scanner II (can drop for more tank)
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender T1/T2
Medium Core Defense Field Extender T1/T2 or EM rig T2

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#10 - 2013-11-26 16:17:45 UTC
@Batelle

ok tested your base fit....

got into this:
Quote:

[Mackinaw, Mack starter test]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

Survey Scanner II
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

EHP: 28288
Yield(no drones): 1073 / minute
Yield(Mining Drone I X5): 1199 / minute



do note I'm missing few needed skills so in truth stats should be bit higher.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-11-26 16:20:58 UTC
MAPC doesn't do anything if you're not using it to fit a MSE. a meta2 or meta3 mse is fine if you don't have shield upgrades 4. t1 rigs are also totally fine.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#12 - 2013-11-26 16:30:43 UTC
was my bad I forgot to switch but then I'm little short on cpu something like 2-6 points to fit the Medium extender but I cna switch the thermic\kinetic resists to faction ones which takes much less cpu and are not that expensive instead. and then ofc EHP will be even higher.

on the other hand would you bother with mining drones on that ship?