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Came back to the game when I saw the expansion, now leaving again thanks to pvp.

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Mainiac IV
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2013-11-26 00:18:03 UTC
Honestly wtf do you expect to find in these "remote parts of space" it's all the same, just warp stargate to stargate with different backgrounds depending on the region, ooo there is a celestial? cool a abandon station with stupid gas cloud affects and maybe a few rats..congrats

all you will find is more people who want to kill you. if you haven't noticed, even though you don't want to pvp, you accept it as soon as you undock, this isn't a pve game.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#102 - 2013-11-26 00:19:53 UTC
Flakus wrote:
I'm I missing something here?, is there a way to enjoy this game PvE style, with exploration, finding places with probes, hacking lost locations, finding great treasures and such, or is it just cold facts, EVE is a mostly PvP game?



EVE == Everyone vs Everyone.

EvE is a PvP game. There are ways you can explore and avoid PvP, but eventually you will lose your ship. This is simply a part of playing the game, whether you want to or not.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-11-26 00:23:16 UTC
game might not be for you if you think of yourself as a victim/target

instead you should think about how to outsmart those who will hunt you

and if your not willing or not able to do that then yes game is not for you

not being mean just being honest with you
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#104 - 2013-11-26 00:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Flakus wrote:
I'm I missing something here?, is there a way to enjoy this game PvE style, with exploration, finding places with probes, hacking lost locations, finding great treasures and such, or is it just cold facts, EVE is a mostly PvP game?



EVE == Everyone vs Everyone.

EvE is a PvP game. There are ways you can explore and avoid PvP, but eventually you will lose your ship. This is simply a part of playing the game, whether you want to or not.
This TBH, you consent to PvP when you hit the "play" button on the launcher.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#105 - 2013-11-26 00:28:57 UTC
Real Eve explorers use wormholes to get to nullsec.

I once went for a year without using a gate in nullsec, but was in nullsec more than half the time.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#106 - 2013-11-26 00:43:15 UTC
Flakus wrote:
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I want to explore, but from what I understand you have to go to 0.4 and below to find anything. And only a small portion of the game world is 0.5 and up. It feels like playing world of warcraft where you can only be in Goldshire.




Hi op.

My corp mate find today in High sec, pith c medium shield booster and some of new implants blueptints + other crap of few decryptors, total value of items 150mil isk +- 20mil.

Exploring is like game and somtime you need luck, somtime you spent like few day and nothing other day nice profit, come on...

You can explore nobody said say you cant, but if you want better chance for nice profit you need to risk.

This is EvE, game for patient for people.

If it bleed we can kill it.

Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#107 - 2013-11-26 00:44:08 UTC
Batelle wrote:
...
.. You don't have to be a PVPer to play Eve, and you don't have to be a PVPer to enjoy content outside of hisec. If you're not going to be the hunter, then you will be the quarry. But the quarry has plenty of tools and techniques to avoid being caught. Even if you don't want to go out and kill people, you do need to understand how PVP works, how the game works, and how to do what you in the way thats most fulfilling to you. Ultimately, if you died, its very likely that you made a mistake that allowed you to be caught,....


...and every injury is a lesson learned.
Quoted this because i learned PVP backwards, as permanent rabbit avoiding hounds for my first year. Did missions and ratting in lowsec, felt like a winner if i killed 2 BS rats in a day. Quickly lost about 24 thrashers and looked at how i was killed and by what equipment. There's T2 guns you say? Oh look i could fit them in a few days, oh noes spoiled forever T2 or gtfo.
Bottom line though, your outlook seems to be seeking reward rather than risk. I recommend a session exploring on SISI, to see how bland and lifeless EvE is without them horribly complex and likeable critters (other people) comin to get you. I flew a burst out to the middle of the east looking at the fat asteroids, met a hurricane who asked if he could help me. Not everyone is trying to waste you, he was just amazed to see :shobon: explorer.


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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#108 - 2013-11-26 01:19:33 UTC
OP, you are not an explorer, not a 'real' one..

As someone else mentioned earlier.. explorers throughout history risked their life a zillion times, braving the unknown and coming back alive.

Another good one someone mentioned.. if you're out there in low/null, it's perfectly fine to just go look for space riches and go and grab them, but understand that you are the quarry that the people out there are looking for. They are the hunters, you're the prey.
However, a cornered rat has a nasty bite, and even the fuzziest bear has sharp teeth. Be as fleet as the deer, and avoid the predators, and if cornered, be as the cornered rat, or the bear and face your enemies, even if you go down, at least go down in flames.

I tend to spend a lot of time in low/null, usually in a covops, just flying around, without any real destination in mind. Looking for 'what is out there' and gathering the riches I find along my way, then when I have a sizeable booty, go back to my safe little home in highsec and divvy up me plunder, and spend it on blow and hookers. ( or more bling for whatever is striking my fancy at the time )

I had several encounters today during my daily round. I wanted to do a 'safe' round, so I just flew through about 10 null systems I knew very well, where I had bookmarks all over the place, and knew who to generally expect. about 7 systems, in I started noticing some people, and my spider senses tingled, they were tracking me. I hadn't made any big scores yet though, so I ploughed on, got some more booty, and kept a watch over my shoulder. Their forces were gathering.
Then in a deadend system, I finally found my treasure I was looking for, a very juicy relic site. I started hacking the place, and grabbing my loot as it spewed into space, while also watching local and D-scan. yes, the probes are out there, I have to be quick now..
Quickly I flew as fast as I could to 1 more canister, I scanned if it was worth it ( I knew from it's type that I could be a very valuable one ), and BINGO, there's 100M in loot in there. So I get to work hacking it, still eyes on D-scan, more probes showing around me, their prober is an amateur, but he's slowly getting a fix.
Damn.. bad luck with the hacking grid.. hack failed, attempt number 2, I check D-scan again, damn, his probes are all out, oh and crap, that's an interceptor he's on his way. So with regret, I leave the can, it explodes, losing that 100M in goodies just as the interceptor arrives on grid.
I quickly align to a celestial, kick in my cloak, as I'm preparing to warp, he's flying as fast as he can to where my approximate position is.. he's within 10km as I enter warp and get away from the place.
Quickly I go to my safespot on the gate to check if they have nasty ships waiting for me there, 1 regular cruiser, nothing to worry about. I warp to the gate, jump through, yup, as expected, 2 more of his friends waiting there, but no interdictors, no bubbles.
Align, cloak, warp, and I'm gone, a few more jumps and I'm back in my highsec home. My total booty for the trip, a shabby 50M in total. Not a total failure, but sadly not as much as I had wanted.
However, I'm alive, I'm back, and I have booty. I have successfully avoided the hunters, and stole the riches right from under their noses. ( the people who chased me live in that bit of space usually, so yes, this wasn't the first time I got chased )

Fast forward a couple of hours. I just had dinner, and I feel like doing some more exploring, this time I'm going to low sec, but I'm taking a bigger risk, I'm taking my shiny new Stratios, I want to look for some low sec ghost sites and grab booty there.
I fly through a bunch of systems, not much to see, at one point, I throw out my probes, just to see if there's anything of interest around, hey, bingo, a nice combat/hacking site. Not something I want to tackle with my Stratios though, this area has pretty heavy traffic, and there's people in local. So I fly on, to my low sec base, and I grab my usual ship for this, my trusty drake.
I go back to the system, warp to the site and commence hostilities vs the rats guarding the place.
I'm there for just a few minutes, meanwhile talking in corp with some people, so I'm a little distracted, and didn't watch my D-scan properly.. BAM, thorax and Caracal on grid, I know I can't align and warp out before they catch me, they are right on top of me.
I'm not going down without a fight you bastards! I kick in my overheat, lock onto the thorax who was webbing me and pointing me, and let the missiles fly. his shields melt, and I start taking serious chunks out of his armour, and I think.. wow.. this is easier than I expected, they're not breaking my tank. I guess they expected me to be using specific hardeners instead of my Omni setup I always use out here. ( in case someone comes and tries to shoot me ).
Sadly, then a Blaster Naga and a Falcon show up, I get jammed out and that was all she wrote, 20 seconds later I warp off in my pod, and wait at the station to dock up and get myself safe.

after I grab my rookie ship, relax a little, take a chill pill, and a nice cup of tea, I go back to my Stratios 1 jump out, and fly back to highsec, this time empty handed. The thoughts going through my head: Damn, now I have to get another drake down there again.

Lesson learned: The new residents of that area are more active than the previous denizens in hunting people down, so I should watch D-scan more often.



























Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#109 - 2013-11-26 01:21:52 UTC
bye

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2013-11-26 01:25:54 UTC
Think OP just needs to learn how to paly before crying about the game..


Solaris233
Perkone
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-11-26 23:14:11 UTC
Flakus wrote:
Is this a crybaby thread?, maybe, maybe not.

When EVE came back in 2003, I like many others started to play this lovely game, and what a game it was / still is.
You can write page after page about all the great features, possibilities and the endless space, but sadly it only takes a few negative ones to remove the joy of playing the game.

I have been away from the game, and the coming back a few times now, and sadly the same element ruins my fun.
Now I'm no where near an expert in this game, so what I'm saying now may be so wrong as it can be, but still.

It seems like gate camping is still a very viral option in the game, and that if you move your ship outside of secure space you must have a pvp fitted ship, to just stand a chance of getting away. The last couple of times I have quit this game, I have been ganged coming through a gate, and if it's not true same happen all over again.

I'm a explore, I like to see things in games, go to the edges of the world enjoying all the small hidden places. This also goes for EVE, so when I saw the new expansion had two new explore minded ships I was sold. I reactivated my account, log into the game, sold what ever I could, to afford the new Stratios, popped it up with modules and left the station.

Some people talked in the chat about the new ships being targets for gang pvp, since they gave some kind of extra pvp reward ?. Maybe I should have payed more attention there, since right away I when through a 0,5 to 0,4 I was welcomed by a group of pirates waiting. I managed to flee a couple of times, but through out the weekend, I was met with small gangs tracking my movement and after a gate jump they managed to get the kill. And right there I once again stopped playing.

No doubt it's my own fault, the rules of the game is clear. In systems with 0.4 and below it's a free world for pirates, so I could just have kept my ship in 0.5 and above. But that leaves a great part of the game-world out of my reach. I don't like to PvP, I enjoy the PvE exploration part, with random PvE encounters that are balanced not a 20+ pirates vs you.

I don't know how many people that don't play EVE because of this, but I know a handfull that have stopped on this account.
It's a open world, but should it not in some way be possible for PvE people to explore the world without getting ganged time after time?.
What about a option PvE option, that you could only turn on in secure space, travel out into the 0.4 and below in PvE mode, then if you wanted to change to PvP, you had to travel back to secure space and turn it off again. This way it will not interrupt the big PvP world, since people can't just move out in PvE mode and then turn PvP on when they are where they want to be.
I really want to enjoy this game, but the constant tread of PvP gangs, are just making this game not for me.

I want to explore, but from what I understand you have to go to 0.4 and below to find anything. And only a small portion of the game world is 0.5 and up. It feels like playing world of warcraft where you can only be in Goldshire.

I'm I missing something here?, is there a way to enjoy this game PvE style, with exploration, finding places with probes, hacking lost locations, finding great treasures and such, or is it just cold facts, EVE is a mostly PvP game?




So you're quitting the game because of your failure to adapt? Good riddance. There are many ways around gate camps and if you can't figure that out yourself you deserve to get ganked.
Alina en Chasteaux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-11-27 00:47:08 UTC
I commend to you dear sir, the interceptor. If you're unexpectedly transformed into random scatterings of gas and debris while flying one of these in Rubicon, it's likely your fault.
Seolfor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-11-27 04:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Seolfor
You lost a ship that can use CovOps (and hence warp around cloaked, eliminating 99.99% chance of getting caught at gates), because you used a regular cloak.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21129109

For someone playing from '03 .. thats.. ya. This is nature playing its part in EvE. Natural Selection.

On another note, the reason gate camps are still prevalent is because they are the most efficient way of getting kills in low-sec. All the protection that bears have been given over the years, it is no longer 'trivial' to solo missioners, if they bear around in half a brain.

So guess what, often pirates will resort to the trivial methods available to them, for their share of EvE content and fun.

TLDR
- Learn game mechanics, i.e. use a CovOps cloak on Stratios
- Dont hate the player, hate the game i.e. CCPs fault for continuing to make gate camping the best form of low-sec piracy
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2013-11-27 04:38:10 UTC
Seolfor wrote:
You lost a ship that can use CovOps (and hence warp around cloaked, eliminating 99.99% chance of getting caught at gates), because you used a regular cloak.

That's awesome.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Lilliana Stelles
#115 - 2013-11-27 04:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilliana Stelles
OP is clearly just doing something wrong. (Edit: After further examination, that something wrong was the wrong cloak.)

I've spent hours on end wandering lowsec and nullsec without getting "surprised" by a camp. They're easy to spot on the map, and if you have the right ship they're not too hard to slip through with an mwd+cloak.

Less-explored areas (great wildlands, anyone?) allow you to wander dozens of jumps without even seeing anyone.

Exploring after an expansion is probably a pretty silly idea though. Everyone will be out hunting the new sites and hunting the people hunting this sites.

Chill out for 2-3 months; come back in march, head out into NPC null and you can probably sit there all day uncloaked ratting/sploring/whatever until your heart is content like all the other nullbears. Alternatively, just join one of those big blue doughnut alliances.

Not a forum alt. 

Janden Rynd
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-12-02 19:39:24 UTC
Tasha Saisima wrote:
If you want something safe and simple, go explore wal-mart.


You have an odd idea of what constitutes "safe"...
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-12-02 19:49:36 UTC
When i want to avoid pvp and explore the far reaches of the universe I log into Sisi and avoid the 2 systems that allow pvp.
Prince Golem
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-12-02 22:27:04 UTC
I saw your loss. you need to use covert ops cloaks. you can warp cloaked. come back in game and I'll make sure you can try again.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#119 - 2013-12-02 22:38:23 UTC
OP contact me, we have just the thing for you.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Chi Garu
Perkone
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-12-02 23:22:19 UTC
There are no PvP players or PvE players. There are just EvE players.

Welcome to 2003 and single server technology.