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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#21 - 2013-11-25 12:29:50 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:


So, it's not so much about rose-colored glasses, as I don't need to know.

Ignorance is bliss, and all that.


That's exactly how my mother describes adults in Germany when she was growing up from 1927-1939.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-11-25 17:07:06 UTC
Touché. Sad
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#23 - 2013-11-25 17:33:27 UTC
I would rather hit it in the head, kill it and eat it. Rabbit meat is healthy.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2013-11-25 17:49:52 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I would rather hit it in the head, kill it and eat it. Rabbit meat is healthy.


Obviously, you know absolutely nothing about it at all.

You have to actually catch it first.

And your sentence.........my God. Hitting it in the head would more than likely kill it. It would not be a '2nd step' as you imply.

Time to return to your filthy comfy chair in the basement.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#25 - 2013-11-25 18:46:02 UTC
I don't have to catch it, they are in the cage outside my house, and i know how to kill rabbits. One hit don't always kill it.

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fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-11-25 19:52:26 UTC


e=mc3

work it out,
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-11-25 19:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frank Millar wrote:


So, it's not so much about rose-colored glasses, as I don't need to know.

Ignorance is bliss, and all that.


That's exactly how my mother describes adults in Germany when she was growing up from 1927-1939.


people always think for themselves then make a choice
always its go left or go right.

i went up@P jetpacks ftw
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#28 - 2013-11-25 20:01:08 UTC
Its not about brute force but the precision, and i am not impying anythin. Rabbits are easy to kill. Hit twice in the back of the head and you are good to cut it.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#29 - 2013-11-25 22:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Society will not survive crap like this. It just cannot function with this kind of paradigm even existing.


In any large city circa 1800's you would be lucky if it was just a fist, just saying. Granted, that was mostly just a worry once the sun went down. But still, violence was rampant in every large city throughout the world pre&post-industrialization, even if they had an active Police force.

This is nothing new and accordign to Steven Pinkner the numbers actually show that violence as a whole has been decreasing for quite awhile. The Better Angels of Our Nature is a very interesting read to say the least
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#30 - 2013-11-26 00:26:37 UTC
Sandslinger wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
as terrible as the world seems today...it eases my mind a little bit to know that, despite what we constantly see and read on the news, we actually live, right now, in the most peaceful time humanity has EVER known. fewer wars, fewer crimes and fewer atrocious behaviors per capita than at any point in recorded history.

it seems far worse than it is because bad **** is all you see on tv or read in the papers. because good news does not sell. never has. so all the worst of humanity comes out in the media. because that's what garners the attention. that's what makes the money.


This is only true if your looking at it from a western point of view, or if your looking at % of deaths per head of population.

It is in no way true if you look at actual numbers of people killed or deaths resulting indirectly from wars worldwide (iraq war indirectly killed over a million by some figures if you count refugees dying from exposure), or even murders in western world. A lot of evidence actually points to lower violent crime rates in cities in 1800 then at present.

Not surprising perhaps considering the population growth. saying the world is more peaceful is kind of strange though, some parts of it is while large swathes of it stll enjoy genocidal wars, mass **** as a wepon alongside dismemberment and child soldiering.


yes, that's true some places of the world are still terrible. but my point is that LESS of it is terrible now than it used to be. and I was looking at it from the % of people affected by war, crime, atrocities and general horrible things occurring to the population as a whole versus any other time in the recorded history. per capita. "civilized" has become the dominant behavior in much of the world. much of the areas still under the sway of barbarism have always been that way and perhaps some of them always will.

we have wars still. and they are horrible. but...they aren't horrible like the crusades, for example, were horrible. or like the Peloponnesian war was horrible. or rome's wars of expansion where men were butchered in the streets and women and children were just crucified or sold into a lifetime of slavery just because they could be.

the general level of violence is lessened now. a lord of the land can not come and **** a woman and kill her husband if he objects, simply because he owns the ground their farmstead is on, any longer without consequence. criminals, in general, get caught these days. they didn't have forensic evidence departments in the court of king henry.

maybe if we kept medieval punishments around in combination with our modern investigative technology crime might practically just stop being a problem for the most part lol. Being locked in a little cage, that your legs hang out of the bottom of until you die of thirst, seems a hefty deterrent to robbing the local liquor store.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#31 - 2013-11-26 03:07:09 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:
I've said it before (probably elsewhere) and I'll say it again.

Our "civilization" is living in its end-time.

Things will get worse before The End.

Then, it'll become really bad. Sad



i sorta disagree. A dark age approaches, one that will hurt the bottom 75% of the world's rich ie nobody on this forum.
It will be a short and very dark age, because we have more torch bearers than there were in the European dark millenia.
Teach your children well.


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Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#32 - 2013-11-26 03:09:10 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
...maybe if we kept medieval punishments around in combination with our modern investigative technology crime might practically just stop being a problem for the most part lol. Being locked in a little cage, that your legs hang out of the bottom of until you die of thirst, seems a hefty deterrent to robbing the local liquor store.


This sort of thinking heralds the new dark age.






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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#33 - 2013-11-26 03:19:06 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
...maybe if we kept medieval punishments around in combination with our modern investigative technology crime might practically just stop being a problem for the most part lol. Being locked in a little cage, that your legs hang out of the bottom of until you die of thirst, seems a hefty deterrent to robbing the local liquor store.


This sort of thinking heralds the new dark age.



I was pretty much joking...but sometimes I do wonder lol
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#34 - 2013-11-26 08:53:52 UTC
Considering what people write on you tube we are still living in dark ages/naz! germany.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#35 - 2013-11-26 12:05:14 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
...maybe if we kept around in combination with our modern investigative technology crime might practically just stop being a problem for the most part lol. Being locked in a little cage, that your legs hang out of the bottom of until you die of thirst, seems a hefty deterrent to robbing the local liquor store.


This sort of thinking heralds the new dark age.








Some criminals do not operate within the bounds of societies norms and values. If we let people know that we had a zero tolerance mentality when it comes to the actions of that very very, very, small percentage of the human population, crime would drastically decrease even more than it has over the past 5 centuries.

What do we do with rabid dogs? If that level of mercy is justified for man's best friend we should also give that level of mercy to humans that prove they are unable to operate within a relatively lenient system . I do not agree with bringing back medieval punishments for those we want to sentence to death. Those punishments should be carried out with as little pain as possible, but the stockades for small crimes is a far less devious punishment then putting a youth in jail right next to a rapist and/or murder when their only crime was say vandalism or simple possession.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2013-11-26 13:24:06 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Society will not survive crap like this. It just cannot function with this kind of paradigm even existing.


In any large city circa 1800's you would be lucky if it was just a fist, just saying. Granted, that was mostly just a worry once the sun went down. But still, violence was rampant in every large city throughout the world pre&post-industrialization, even if they had an active Police force.

This is nothing new and accordign to Steven Pinkner the numbers actually show that violence as a whole has been decreasing for quite awhile. The Better Angels of Our Nature is a very interesting read to say the least


So, we should not even ever try to civilize ourselves ???? And the random attacks in previous centuries were based around revenge in most cases I'm sure.

What's new, is the choice of random victims for no purpose.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#37 - 2013-11-26 13:26:58 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Sandslinger wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
as terrible as the world seems today...it eases my mind a little bit to know that, despite what we constantly see and read on the news, we actually live, right now, in the most peaceful time humanity has EVER known. fewer wars, fewer crimes and fewer atrocious behaviors per capita than at any point in recorded history.

it seems far worse than it is because bad **** is all you see on tv or read in the papers. because good news does not sell. never has. so all the worst of humanity comes out in the media. because that's what garners the attention. that's what makes the money.


This is only true if your looking at it from a western point of view, or if your looking at % of deaths per head of population.

It is in no way true if you look at actual numbers of people killed or deaths resulting indirectly from wars worldwide (iraq war indirectly killed over a million by some figures if you count refugees dying from exposure), or even murders in western world. A lot of evidence actually points to lower violent crime rates in cities in 1800 then at present.

Not surprising perhaps considering the population growth. saying the world is more peaceful is kind of strange though, some parts of it is while large swathes of it stll enjoy genocidal wars, mass **** as a wepon alongside dismemberment and child soldiering.


yes, that's true some places of the world are still terrible. but my point is that LESS of it is terrible now than it used to be. and I was looking at it from the % of people affected by war, crime, atrocities and general horrible things occurring to the population as a whole versus any other time in the recorded history. per capita. "civilized" has become the dominant behavior in much of the world. much of the areas still under the sway of barbarism have always been that way and perhaps some of them always will.

we have wars still. and they are horrible. but...they aren't horrible like the crusades, for example, were horrible. or like the Peloponnesian war was horrible. or rome's wars of expansion where men were butchered in the streets and women and children were just crucified or sold into a lifetime of slavery just because they could be.

the general level of violence is lessened now. a lord of the land can not come and **** a woman and kill her husband if he objects, simply because he owns the ground their farmstead is on, any longer without consequence. criminals, in general, get caught these days. they didn't have forensic evidence departments in the court of king henry.

maybe if we kept medieval punishments around in combination with our modern investigative technology crime might practically just stop being a problem for the most part lol. Being locked in a little cage, that your legs hang out of the bottom of until you die of thirst, seems a hefty deterrent to robbing the local liquor store.


In the case of those under aged........hold the parents responsible. Simple.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#38 - 2013-11-26 13:55:08 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
...maybe if we kept around in combination with our modern investigative technology crime might practically just stop being a problem for the most part lol. Being locked in a little cage, that your legs hang out of the bottom of until you die of thirst, seems a hefty deterrent to robbing the local liquor store.


This sort of thinking heralds the new dark age.



Some criminals do not operate within the bounds of societies norms and values. If we let people know that we had a zero tolerance mentality when it comes to the actions of that very very, very, small percentage of the human population, crime would drastically decrease even more than it has over the past 5 centuries.

What do we do with rabid dogs? If that level of mercy is justified for man's best friend we should also give that level of mercy to humans that prove they are unable to operate within a relatively lenient system . I do not agree with bringing back medieval punishments for those we want to sentence to death. Those punishments should be carried out with as little pain as possible, but the stockades for small crimes is a far less devious punishment then putting a youth in jail right next to a rapist and/or murder when their only crime was say vandalism or simple possession.


Criminals...

a), don't expect to be captured, so they give a F of punishment
b), do expect to be captured, so they give a F of their victims
c) are totally nuts and don't give a F of anything

Now, consider that anything you do on positive criminals, you will also do it on some undeserving innocents, and ask yourself why those innocents should be deemed less important than the others so it's worth to sacrifice them for the greater good

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#39 - 2013-11-26 14:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Society will not survive crap like this. It just cannot function with this kind of paradigm even existing.


In any large city circa 1800's you would be lucky if it was just a fist, just saying. Granted, that was mostly just a worry once the sun went down. But still, violence was rampant in every large city throughout the world pre&post-industrialization, even if they had an active Police force.

This is nothing new and accordign to Steven Pinkner the numbers actually show that violence as a whole has been decreasing for quite awhile. The Better Angels of Our Nature is a very interesting read to say the least


So, we should not even ever try to civilize ourselves ???? And the random attacks in previous centuries were based around revenge in most cases I'm sure.

What's new, is the choice of random victims for no purpose.


I was just pointing out that the paradigm you say that we can not survive has been going through a very extensive shift towards non-violence and that we have been surviving and thriving, so to speak. I was just pointing out a text to show this and maybe shed some hope on this topic.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#40 - 2013-11-26 14:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
...maybe if we kept around in combination with our modern investigative technology crime might practically just stop being a problem for the most part lol. Being locked in a little cage, that your legs hang out of the bottom of until you die of thirst, seems a hefty deterrent to robbing the local liquor store.


This sort of thinking heralds the new dark age.



Some criminals do not operate within the bounds of societies norms and values. If we let people know that we had a zero tolerance mentality when it comes to the actions of that very very, very, small percentage of the human population, crime would drastically decrease even more than it has over the past 5 centuries.

What do we do with rabid dogs? If that level of mercy is justified for man's best friend we should also give that level of mercy to humans that prove they are unable to operate within a relatively lenient system . I do not agree with bringing back medieval punishments for those we want to sentence to death. Those punishments should be carried out with as little pain as possible, but the stockades for small crimes is a far less devious punishment then putting a youth in jail right next to a rapist and/or murder when their only crime was say vandalism or simple possession.


Criminals...

a), don't expect to be captured, so they give a F of punishment
b), do expect to be captured, so they give a F of their victims
c) are totally nuts and don't give a F of anything

Now, consider that anything you do on positive criminals, you will also do it on some undeserving innocents, and ask yourself why those innocents should be deemed less important than the others so it's worth to sacrifice them for the greater good


I am not going to get into this debate as it is cyclical. If you think this fine example of a citizen of the planet of Earth should still be alive and be allowed to merry a 25 year old, your dream society is no less grim without capital punishment then it would be if capital punishment was much more prevalent...just saying

EDIT: Also, your argument also is based on the assumption that all criminals are always criminal. Extreme punishments would decrease the prevalence of crimes of passion and entry level crimes that younger humans find themselves participating in before they hit the hard crimes, so to speak. You punish those minor crimes much more severely, ie. stockades, you would see fewer delinquents evolving into hardened criminals....imho

EDIT 2: But if we keep locking kids up for petty crimes and putting them in cells with kids the same age, that have committed ****/murder/molestation/torture etc, you are bound to perpetuate the cycle of violence, negligently if I might add.
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