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Martial Arts of IGS Capsuleers?

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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#1 - 2013-11-25 12:04:44 UTC

I am curious, the martial arts have existed in one form or another for millenia, passed down and changing throughout that time.

How many of the capsuleers in IGS practice one form or another, and which ones do you regularly and actviely practice?

Now granted, many of us have had military hand to hand combat training, which is often, such as the one taught to me in the Federal Marines, a mixture of martial techniques designed to end a hand to hand fight quickly and efficiently, whether with hands alone or putting a blade in your opponant, or forcing them into a position where you can open the distance long enough to put a sidearm or longarm shot through them.

Beyond that, what I was taught as a child, and still practice is now called 'Mano Mano' it has evolved down through the centuries and was once part of a family of arts, eventually coming under the name it has in present. At times in the distant past it called 'Arnis' or 'Kali' It has incorporated much of its one time family into itself, or so I was taught. Weapons are learned first, knives, hardened sticks or bastones, other blades such as swords, and so on, the unarmed techniques such as strikes, throws, and joint manipulations come later, as the hand itself is just another weapon.

The other one i regularly practice is more of an exercise technique from the Jin Mei, mostly for exercise, relaxation, and meditation.

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#2 - 2013-11-25 12:23:17 UTC
Can't remember what it's called, but I have become a master of transferring a sum of ISK to a Security firm specializing in safeguarding capsuleers outside the pod. Hai-yah. I guess. Woopah?

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2013-11-25 12:48:52 UTC
Traditional Amarrian fencing is taught to all clergy, as I suppose we aren't issued swords for ceremonies that we haven't been taught to actually use. However, my family has been served by a Brutor line that recently married into our own family. As such, from the time I was about ten, I've been trained in a rather nasty piece of hand-to-hand combat called Muraga Va. It's helped me quite a bit since I started ministering in Matari space, since it's not always helpful to carry a pistol into a sermon but it's sometimes necessary to kick someone's knee into the wrong direction.

I highly recommend finding yourself a tutor and learning it. It's extremely efficient but hard to learn, as many of the moves are meant to quickly disable and cripple opponents.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2013-11-25 16:33:26 UTC
I was trained in defensive taistoiitsu prior to becoming a capsuleer, but my skills are rusty enough to not be terribly effective in an actual fight. I use it mostly as a meditative art form, practicing for the health benefits.

I would say my late partner Simca Develon did teach me how to "box" though... but again, I'm not very good at it.

As Otsito said, my self defense is left to the hands of professionals. In most cases, it's perfectly sufficient.

Katrina Oniseki

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2013-11-25 16:42:15 UTC
Whilst I do agree that it's not a core skill for our class, self-defence training is a great way to keep fit and can work better for those who think doing weights or running is boring.

As well as my submission hold training from the P&OU I also have a grounding in military martial arts and a couple of other forms from other teachers. It's a great way to ensure that muscle you put on working out isn't just useless weight.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-25 16:44:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Being a former Ishukone Watch SWAT officer I was trained extensively in hand-to-hand combat. The Watch prefers a variant of taistoiitsu. I've practiced it for most of my life as part of my physical training regiment.

More recently, having made the switch to using technology and augmentations to keep my clones in peak condition, my physical training regimen has become less strenuous, and less regular, which means I don't practice as often as I used to and my edge has probably dulled somewhat.

I'd dare to say that I remain a formidable opponent, however. I wouldn't want to go toe-to-toe with a DUST merc and as others have said here, I prefer to rely on my money for security, but...

There was an incident a while back that put it into perspective for me. I won't go into the details why, but I wound up in a pit fight with Ava Starfire's ex-husband. My objective in doing so was to give him an education as to the the dangers involved in pissing of powerful and wealthy people, so I showed up wearing a clone body upgraded almost to DUST merc specifications.

He got in some solid blows before I quit holding back. That taught me the valuable lesson that you can't rely solely on a technological advantage - you need the skill as well. And I'm almost certainly not as skilled as I once was.

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Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#7 - 2013-11-25 17:53:55 UTC
I can't remember whats it's called, but you do movements in slowmotion. The old Krusual man that taught me said that sped up those movements would be lethal, but i prefere the slow motion, it focuses the mind and relives stress.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2013-11-25 18:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Hm! Well, I took a self-defense class at the State War Academy-- one of those one-term electives that teach you the basics in gouging eyes and stomping feet. I don't think I've ever used any of it, but it did help me feel a bit more in control of myself and my environment when I used to go dancing.

I had hired a personal trainer a few months ago for general fitness-- bodyweight exercises, light weights, endurance and flexibility. He wasn't pleased in the slightest when I augmented my arms, and gave me quite the speech about, "not sacrificing flesh for the sake of the machine," or some such nonsense. I've found him other employment.

Unfortunately, while the new augmentations are calibrated well, I still need to improve my handling of them-- my first day after the surgery, I broke two tea cups and had to hire a gardener to maintain my sanctuary until I feel confident that I won't do something disastrous.

[EDIT] Ah, apologies-- I got rather off the mark. As it's still tangentially related, I'll leave this post intact.

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Anneka Tong
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
#9 - 2013-11-25 18:27:58 UTC
Traditional Jin-Mei martial art of Dimac.

The Iron Hand, the Poison Touch, the Lightning Finger, and much more.

Some say cybernetic enhancements have reduced the discipline necessary for the way of the Iron Hand, others disagree.

I am no expert, though.

Legendary Dimac masters are said to have achieved such things as beating multiple ruffian assailants with the ruffians own appendages.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-11-25 19:17:57 UTC
I took quite well to fencing as a youth on Khanid Prime, one of the more lovely holdovers from a bygone era some Amarr Holders are still quite fond of.

My blade work these days is entirely ceremonial.


On another note like many of you, my military hand-to-hand training seems a lifetime ago and of little practical use.

For anyone capable of somehow making it past my retinue I doubt any amount of hand-to-hand skills from myself would make a difference.

Waving one's hands and feet about in elaborate defensive pantomime seems awfully ineffective against explosives or ordinance delivery or some hulking cyber-brute bent on destruction.

Much better to have people around you who devote their entire lives to such things and in your service.





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Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-11-25 21:15:48 UTC
All Vherokior children are taught how to fight at an early age. Growing up on Matar during the time I did meant hiding from and fighting Ammarian slavers and soldiers to stay alive. There is no name for how the Seyrvind clan fights, just know that there's a lot of grappling, dodging and knife work. It's quite effective against a variety of opponents, even children were able to take down Kameira soldiers. When my father took me from my tribe to fight in the onset of the Gallente-Caldari War, I was trained by the SDII in various forms of combat. I would list the hand to hand styles, but there are quite a few and many of them are classified.

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Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#12 - 2013-11-25 21:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre
My Grandfather on Lirsautton taught me in our Family Art. Like Rana's Krusual Art, many of the moves are performed in slow motion while training, precision rather than power being the key.

I still regularly train with my Jian, though mainly to keep in practice and focus my mind. I've never found myself in a position where I would have to use them in a real fight and hold no illusions to my chances of victory against any opponent with more than an average amount of skill. My skill was always with a wrench rather than a weapon.
Cuci Cairi
#13 - 2013-11-25 21:59:59 UTC
I kickbox on a regular basis, though I doubt I would stand even a remote chance against a professional ground soldier. The amount of situations that can occur that I would need to defend myself but do not have a weapon seem rather slim.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#14 - 2013-11-25 22:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Job Valador
I may not be as spry as I was in the navy but I can still hold my own pretty well with a good knife. My father taught me a style called Baraw that he learned from his father and he from his. It is a good workout so i still do the lessons for it. If I had to go into a fight unarmed though lets just say I wouldn't put any bets on me

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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#15 - 2013-11-25 22:40:25 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Whilst I do agree that it's not a core skill for our class, self-defence training is a great way to keep fit and can work better for those who think doing weights or running is boring.

As well as my submission hold training from the P&OU I also have a grounding in military martial arts and a couple of other forms from other teachers. It's a great way to ensure that muscle you put on working out isn't just useless weight.


Indeed, thank you.

Perhaps I needed to clarify, that like many of the others have said, I do not foresee a situation in which I would actively use my training in a combat or self defense situation...I do employ combat-trained security forces as part of my operations. The last time I did have to engage in hand to hand combat was back in the service of the Fed Marines, and, when it comes down that, everything else has already hit the fan.

However, what learned as a boy has been part of my life- for all of my life, a daily regimen for exercise and clarity of mind and spirit. Its something that, like all of us, I have an eternity (more or less) to perfect, and learn new skills and forms. I still stay sharp with the training that was gained in the marines, and have passed that down to my security instructors to train the sec forces in, both for physical training, and just in case it is ever needed.

Sometimes I even go train and instruct with active duty marines. DUST troops are another, and fascinating, matter, as muscle memories are engineering into them from what I understand, and their armor and physical augmentations make them physically perform at whole new level.

But, thank you all for what has been shared, it gives inspiration to learn more and observe some of these in use, and who knows? Perhaps learn some more, myself.

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Kaid Hayden
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#16 - 2013-11-26 00:07:59 UTC
Back on Caille, I used to train a Ruhste-based martial arts at the Brutor culture center down by the river. Been a while since I went to a real match or training with it, though - by the time I got into university, I just did it to work with my strength, speed and precision for skyball, and most of the time skyball practice was seven nights a week anyway so I barely had time. Sometimes I still join in when there's an open night at some Brutor club on different stations, but I'm really more in it for the body control and workout than the fighting power, so I get my ass kicked a lot.

So, you know, I only really go to practices once in every station, except where there's an overlap in the martial arts & skyball teams, so I can kick ass right back.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-26 00:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
I'm not sure if this counts as a Martial Art, but I consider myself extraordinarily well versed in Gauron Pistol Dueling. Being of Gauron descent (reluctantly) I had to practice this for hours upon hours. Half the time is spent on posture. Straight back, non-weapon arm behind the back, maintain a perfect side profile to your target, weapon arm fully extended, feet in a "T" shape, slight lean on front foot, all that stuff. It actually sounds fairly easy at first, though considering how both participants of a duel must be back to back, achieving this proper stance in a split second is the difference between life and death, honor and disgrace.

Martial refers to the military, so Martial Arts are Military Arts. Pistol Dueling got it's start back in Gallente antiquity where rival generals and officers would often settle disputes with a pistol duel. Because the Gauron families had many sons and daughters in military service, this quickly became common practice for us. In time, it would become competitive, with non-lethal dueling pistols being used for sport.

As weapon technology evolved, it became difficult to determine what would be an acceptable dueling pistol, both lethal and non-lethal. Soon it was accepted that a dueling pistol can use any type of ammunition provided it can only fire one shot before requiring a reload. When quick reload pistols were invented to negate this rule, it was decided that a pistol must take at least 5 standard seconds for a trained user to reload to be considered legal. Using any form of semi-automatic or fully automatic pistol in both real and sport duels is considered highly dishonorable and/or illegal, even if you only fire one shot every 5 seconds. Augmentations are considered legal, though in sport, users with augmentations must remove them before competing with non-augmented participants or enter in a separate class for augmentations.

By far the best part of sport dueling is the traditional outfits. Brightly colored and ornate woolen coats, and powdered wigs. What more could you want?

Each Gauron family typically has their own dueling pistol, which is usually passed down from a parent to their offspring. If there are multiple offspring, then they have a (hopefully) non-lethal duel for this piece of inheritance, winner gets the pistol. A sibling can challenge the winner once every five years to a duel. The winner must accept the challenge or forfeit the pistol. There can only be one family pistol for each family line, so if a second one shows up through marriage, adoption, or inheritance, then it isn't given the same status as the current family pistol.

I currently hold my family's pistol and keep it on me at all times. It's a 300 year old, muzzle loaded, Blaster Pistol. As the name would suggest, it's essentially a tiny blaster. The pistol is fairly ornate though certainly not as spectacular looking as some dueling pistols are. The lethal setting is programmed so that only the current owner (me) can shoot to kill.

I think Pistol Dueling is as much a martial art as any. The training, finesse, physical and mental strength required to make a complete 180 degree turn, fire, and hit your target before they hit you is quite demanding. In today's age of cybernetic augmentations, some duels are finished in the time it takes for you to blink. So while I may not be well versed in hand to hand combat, I don't need to be. An aggressor that attempts that with me is going to blink, and suddenly find a rather deadly hole in his chest or forehead.

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Division 13
#18 - 2013-11-26 01:11:47 UTC
My mother taught me how to direct a well placed knee to the groin and finger into the eyeball if ever threatened. Not sure if that counts as a martial art, but I can confirm that it's effective enough.

Oh, and I also beat my brother senseless with a broom-handle this one time.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-11-26 02:26:21 UTC
My father's honour demanded that I be proficient in traditional Intaki quarterstaff combat, and despite him I still actively practice it.

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Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#20 - 2013-11-26 06:43:07 UTC
Since I'm a clone soldier, I actually have a reason to know martial arts, but even then the actual moments when martial arts training is useful is sparse at best. But I took to a private instructor to first teach me basic hand-to-hand combat when I was nearing my twenties, and after that I learned Krav Maga, I think it originates from Matar territory, not exactly sure where.
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