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Anyne know the origins of 'ratting' name ?

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Corp 5py
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-11-25 08:04:17 UTC
"Rat"


Everybody uses the name to refer to asteroid belt NPC's , but where did the name come from ?
Why 'ratting' and not something else, like 'npc-ing' or something similar

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2 - 2013-11-25 08:05:39 UTC
NPC Pirates.

Pirates.

Pi-"rat"-es.

Rats.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-11-25 08:05:53 UTC
Pirate

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Nantwig Mutbrecht
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-11-25 08:06:21 UTC
it's a fitting metaphor. belt rats are like vermin in the cargo of a ship. gotta clear them out every once in a while
Pezazz
Kitsune Corporation
#5 - 2013-11-25 08:22:31 UTC
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.
Fr3akwave
Nasranite Watch
State Public Defenders
#6 - 2013-11-25 08:35:43 UTC
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-11-25 08:40:03 UTC
Fr3akwave wrote:
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.

No one would admit if they did on these forums.

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Dangirdas Bachir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-11-25 08:45:12 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Fr3akwave wrote:
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.

No one would admit if they did on these forums.

I did.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#9 - 2013-11-25 09:12:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

NPC Pirates.
Pirates.
Pi-"rat"-es.
Rats.

This mainly.

Esp since there's a need in Eve to differ between players behaving (and calling themself) pirates and the NPC pirates.

Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:
it's a fitting metaphor. belt rats are like vermin in the cargo of a ship. gotta clear them out every once in a while

Probably not a primary reason, but likely boosting reason one.

Fr3akwave wrote:
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.


The "enter sewer, kill rats, collect coins, rinse and repeat" line (or similar) goes back to board games (and later moos/muds).
Most often used to describe boring grind that low level characters are forced to perform by lazy DMs or game designers.

And as a sidenote.
"Mobs" was originally short for "mobiles" or "mobile monsters".
The fact that "mobs" has a RL meaning did of course also contribute.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-11-25 09:31:00 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
I did.
Lügner !



Liar !
Dangirdas Bachir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-11-25 09:33:13 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
I did.
Lügner !



Liar !

You wanna fight about cu nt???!

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Cavalira
Habemus
Shattered Foundations
#12 - 2013-11-25 10:05:26 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
culo duro wrote:
Fr3akwave wrote:
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.

No one would admit if they did on these forums.

I did.


knurd
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#13 - 2013-11-25 10:14:37 UTC
it's from old MMORPGs, I think EverQuest: the first NPC you got to kill were just rats. So "ratting" became slang foir generic NPC farming

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-11-25 10:19:09 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
I did.
Lügner !



Liar !

You wanna fight about cu nt???!
Ja !
Bring Dein Tier !



Yes !
Bring your mount !
Corp 5py
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-11-25 11:12:23 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
it's from old MMORPGs, I think EverQuest: the first NPC you got to kill were just rats. So "ratting" became slang foir generic NPC farming


Humm, looks plausible. Everquest was launched in 1999, eve a few years later, I can see the transition of slang terms between the 2. The 'rat' cold then be enforced by the piRAT naming.

Altho, a counter to the everquest rat naming origin would be that overall, 'grinding' has become the MMO term for just killing NPC's for extended periods of time.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-11-25 11:17:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
I know that in some MUD games 14 years ago, you "rat" in dungeons/rooms by killing rats to get gold.

edit: since 1997

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#17 - 2013-11-25 11:31:52 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
I know that in some MUD games 14 years ago, you "rat" in dungeons/rooms by killing rats to get gold.

edit: since 1997

Yep, and you can add almost 10 years to that since I know that the term was used in that meaning in muds pre-1990.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#18 - 2013-11-25 13:29:06 UTC
J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#19 - 2013-11-25 13:40:23 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

NPC Pirates.
Pirates.
Pi-"rat"-es.
Rats.

This mainly.

Esp since there's a need in Eve to differ between players behaving (and calling themself) pirates and the NPC pirates.


This.

It is used to make a clear difference between a NPC Pirate and a player who yells Yarr at the end of every phrase aka a player pirate

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Jarod Garamonde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-11-25 13:42:47 UTC
I never even needed it explained to me. It made sense right from the get-go.

Kids, these days....

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