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Cheaper SOE ships available in one system in pure blind
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Spurty
#41 - 2013-11-24 23:02:05 UTC
*SNORK*

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-11-25 00:05:39 UTC
El Geo wrote:
You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.


What incredible hubris and ignorance. So it's not a pirate ship despite the fact that it has 2 faction bonuses like every other pirate ship and the people who make and OWN EVE online says it's a pirate ship?

That's a nice little bubble you choose to live in where facts don't matter and things are whatever you want them to be.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-11-25 00:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
CCP seem to think they are effectively a pirate faction ...

Quote:
In a nutshell, this is a new ‘pirate faction’ ship line from the Sisters of EVE.



from ... CCP Rise --> http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/sisters-of-eve-faction-ships


As far as the cost goes, they currently sell in high sec for about 50-100% profit over what they cost to make from a SOE BPC so people really cannot complain too much.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#44 - 2013-11-25 02:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
El Geo wrote:
I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...

Pros:
- Can get the new sisters ships cheaper

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?


Because the game is deliberately designed to create conflict and promote player interaction in the form of pvp. Many regions are relatively poor, other regions are, or have been, faucets for technetium or some other high value resource allowing the alliance controlling that space to dictate prices. And other alliances to increase demand by blowing up the former alliance's ships as they make for Jita.

All null is not equal, and is not intended to be equal. But instead provide yet more motivation to attack your neighbors. Because if you neighbor is sitting on an isk faucet and you do not, then that motivates you to attack sooner rather than wait for them to out build you.

CFC is simply ONE of the alliances that recognizes this and seeks to control resources. They are hardly the only ones, but one of the reasons they are so enduring is because they didn't just pick their Sovereignty zones at random.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#45 - 2013-11-25 04:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
El Geo wrote:
You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.

I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction, and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's so please, spare me your opinion as it won't effect mine.

The issue isn't that I am not capable of going to nullsec and either killing ratters or running missions, nor is it that the closest nullsec bloc is the CFC, the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden which puts it in the position where its easy to control should someone desire to, which btw doesn't seem to be happening, the locals are the same guys who have lived there for the past year with a few randoms, no mass gate camps.

They have Gallente and Amarr bonuses.

Serpentis has Gallente and Minmatar bonuses.

Angels have Minmatar and Gallente bonuses.

Blood has Amarr and Minmatar bonuses.

Sansha has Caldari and Amarr bonuses.

Guristas has Caldari and Gallente bonuses.

You're ignorant or a troll- maybe both.

Also, you don't deserve that monocle- you're probably just spending IRL cash for it and now you're whining that you have to pay a little more for a cruiser or frigate- get over yourself Lol

If you're a troll, you're dedicated- if you aren't, you're kinda stupid Big smile

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#46 - 2013-11-25 07:22:52 UTC
I am a pirate-sister, yarr!
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-11-25 07:34:50 UTC
Or you could contact the Goons about being able to pass their space, there probably is ISK cost attached to it, and ewen then , **** is known to happen in EvE i heard Blink , but like most things everything comes with a cost, and if its to good to be true, its a scam
Fr3akwave
Mercury Arms Inc.
Ghostbirds
#48 - 2013-11-25 08:26:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
El Geo wrote:
I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction
Doesn't matter. That's just (questionable) lore and is of no relevance to game mechanics. It's a pirate ship: it has no faction skills of its own and uses those of two actual races. It is balanced as a pirate ship.

Quote:
and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's
…just like every other pirate faction ship, you mean?

Quote:
the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden

They're available form more stations than that.


I just wanted to write something looking like that, so thanks for the work :P

El Geo wrote:
keep talking Tippia, you'll be the only one reading

Typical "going offtopic because i have been proven wrong and cant admit it" type post. You insisting on those ships not being a pirate faction ship doesn't change anything about the fact that CCP balanced them as such and even called them by that label. I mean... really? "Even though CCP said they are, they cannot be, cant you all see that!"... Roll

The ships are classified as a pirate faction ship. Unlike your notion, that classification is not by source but by its abilities and split racial bonuses. It's a technical classification, not one by lore, insist on that as much as you like. Basically there would be 2 ways to fix the "issue" to align them with the "real" pirate's ships:
1. make them unavailable in high sec - just like all the others. (Or leave them in high sec for higher price. risk vs reward and all that, right? Oh wait...)
2. rethink the label "pirate faction". So far that was correct, but with the SOE/Sanctuary ships this is not really fitting anymore. Rather call them "minor faction ships" or "mixed faction ships" and the other ones "empire faction ships".
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-11-25 09:52:32 UTC
Erm, can we use High Sec SOE LP's to get ships in Pure Blind from Sanctuary agents?
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-11-25 10:06:52 UTC
El Geo wrote:


SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.




SO ships are PIRATE, by all definitions in this game. They are combination of 2 racial bonuses and that makes them pirate ships. Even ccp calls them PIRATE ships.

No other PIRATE ships can be bought in high sec. Only NAVY ships.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-11-25 11:08:33 UTC
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Erm, can we use High Sec SOE LP's to get ships in Pure Blind from Sanctuary agents?



Nope...


Not that I didn't try hoping against hope.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-11-25 11:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
REDACTED

Post in English.

ISD Cura Ursus
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-11-25 11:28:29 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Erm, can we use High Sec SOE LP's to get ships in Pure Blind from Sanctuary agents?


Nope...

Not that I didn't try hoping against hope.

Thank you, guess it wouldn't be too hard to get there in cloaked inties. Ahh well, at least I can start hoping against hope for one Stratios Emergency Responder...
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-11-25 12:18:15 UTC
aye ... true pirate factions be identified by saying yarrr a lot, the flying of the jolly rodger, the wearing of the black eye patch, the peg leg, the parrot and teh singing of the drunken sea shanty ...
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#55 - 2013-11-25 12:46:35 UTC
El Geo wrote:
Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)


Speaking as someone who lives next door to NPC null, the reverse is in fact true. NPC stations that anyone can fly out of are really difficult to meaningfully interfere with. Short of camping the place 23/7 (a feat so tedious that not even the goons do so outside of major wars), there's no way to stop people from coming and going more or less as they please. Naturally, you can try and hunt them down to disrupt their mission-running activities, but 0.0 mission runners have to expect that anyways, since they live in space they do not control. At the very least, they tend to be more wily than their counterparts in sov null, who feel safer and thus tend to take less precautions.

Of course, the result of all this is basically a sign that says 'you must be at least this hardcore to run these missions'. If you'd balk at living in lowsec, it's much the same deal here. Those people who are able to successfully do this definitely deserve the rewards.
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-11-25 12:50:27 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
aye ... true pirate factions be identified by saying yarrr a lot, the flying of the jolly rodger, the wearing of the black eye patch, the peg leg, the parrot and teh singing of the drunken sea shanty ...


and HATS
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-11-25 13:14:34 UTC
Fr3akwave wrote:

Typical "going offtopic because i have been proven wrong and cant admit it" type post. You insisting on those ships not being a pirate faction ship doesn't change anything about the fact that CCP balanced them as such and even called them by that label. I mean... really? "Even though CCP said they are, they cannot be, cant you all see that!"... Roll


Nonsense. I drive a car. The manufacturer calls is a "Ford", but it's a used car and when I 1st got into it I swore I could smell a hint of Strudel. Strudel is German (and delicious) therefore my car must obviously be a Mercedes, someone just mistakenly put a FORD symbol on it. That must be the case with these SOE ships.

So you see, your facts are invalid because of German pastries.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#58 - 2013-11-25 13:16:12 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
El Geo wrote:


SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.




SO ships are PIRATE, by all definitions in this game. They are combination of 2 racial bonuses and that makes them pirate ships. Even ccp calls them PIRATE ships.

No other PIRATE ships can be bought in high sec. Only NAVY ships.


I wonder if that poster feels any embarrassment from making himself look like a *insert term here that ISDs might not like, be creative* in front of everyone?

Twisted
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2013-11-25 13:21:07 UTC
they will come down in price eventually

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#60 - 2013-11-25 13:32:18 UTC
A little yes, but I am a man and not infallible, last night I made a post out of curiosity which admittedly I should have worded better (I was tired ok!) and yes, for some reason I derped Oops and was thinking pirate ships had pirate bonus's. However, I am sorry if it offends you or makes you mad but I still view the SOE ship as a non-pirate faction ship, as sisters are a non-pirate faction, this is my personal opinion. (I don't think Recons fit their description either, I expect you will be mad about that as well)

Feel free to keep posting, I especially like the posts where you try to insult me or insinuate I'm stupid.

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