EVE General Discussion

As some unfortunately had to bare witness to yesterday, a certain unnamed CSM decided upon viewing someone's post as ignorant that he would humiliate that person in the public eye. Through a set of childish posts that one would come to expect from elementary school students, he continued to bash this innocent poster to the point where even the Goons began chiming in on how inappropriate they found the comments.

This is not the first time this has happened. We already remember the incident involving the high-sec miner 'The Wiz'. A CSM member spent his spare time preparing a powerpoint presentation for the sole purpose of humiliating another player. He then flew over to Iceland to present this humilation in the public eye, showing no regard to how it would affect 'The Wiz'.

The result was a removal as CSM and a 1 month ban. Not bad, really, not bad at all. He deserved a permanent ban if you ask me or at least a steeper punishment but alas, at least you guys did something.


Now let's look at what happened in the thread, titled Regarding E-YJ8G last night, and compare it to the first incident

The CSM involved in the Wiz incident:
- Thought something very negative, mean and abusive about another player
- Decided those thoughts were worth the world hearing, and presented those thoughts without any regard to the other person
- Presentation of such thought held no actual purpose and was simply an attack on the other person

The CSM involved in the E-YJ8G thread last night:
- Thought something very negative, mean and abusive about another player
- Decided those thoughts were worth the world reading, and posted those thoughts without any regard to the other person
- Posting of such thought held no actual purpose and was simply an attack on the other person (in reference to posts 2 and 3 made by the CSM in question)


Those seem eerily similar. Explain then why this CSM is getting off like he's just any other forum troll. He's not, he's a CSM member and thus needs to be held to certain standards. If those standards are not met, CCP has the right to revoke his CSM status. Just like they did in the Wiz incident. Fact is, the CSM in the E-YJ8G thread has disobeyed rules 1, 2 and 4 of the Terms of Service. That is reason in itself for CCP to remove his CSM status.

Instead, all of his most distasteful posts have been removed, as well as posts trying to rally people up against him. Those that remain have been edited by ISDs. That's right. If you said, "This guy does not deserve to be CSM, let's push for his removal guys", your post was likely removed. I'm not sure what the motivation was for it; maybe they just wanted a clean thread. I get that. They are still sweeping this under the rug and conveniently, no controversy to deal with.

Well CCP, I'm here to say enough is enough. I am sick of fully grown men coming on the internet and mistreating other fully grown men for no reason other than trying to look cool over the internet. I am sick of fully grown men coming on the internet and mistreating other fully grown men for no reason other than feeling better about themselves. I am sick of fully grown men coming on the internet and mistreating other fully grown men for whatever reason it may be. It runs rampant in your game, more so than any other community I've ever seen.

Your hands are tied many times, I do not expect you to ban every single griefer or jerk that plays the game. I do expect you, however, to take action against any staff member that does act in this pitiful manner. The same applies to players involved in the development of the game. You fly these guys down to your headquarters and treat them like gaming kings, allowing them to sit at a roundtable and discuss the future of the game with the makers themselves. Hold them to a standard then. The CSM in question hasn't just made a slip of the tongue; he has done something that no respectful, considerate, dignified human being would ever do.

CCP, I sincerely ask you remove his CSM status for this and stop deleting posts/threads about this. I urge everyone who agrees with the sentiment here to push along with me; don't let monsters get away with being monsters. Show them what the price is.

EDIT: I would like to add I have taken screenshots of the posts the CSM in question made before they were removed/edited. I am not sure if posting it is a violation of the rules though. If it can be confirmed that it's not, I am more than willing to post them, as they paint the exact picture I've described above.

I got in trouble for the inappropriate drunken joke at the end of that presentation, for which I apologized - not the presentation itself. (Don't make suicide jokes on live tv, kids!) If you want to attack me, try not to lie about it in your passive-aggressive screed, I do enough naughty things for which you can attack me on the merits without needing to distort the truth.

You're assmad about Malcanis not taking random, entitled whining seriously, and that entitled whining is one of the most obnoxious aspects of being a CSM.

HTFU and grow a thicker skin. There's nothing that says that CSM reps need to be ~nice~ to you.

Is this about Malcanis? If it is then guess what: He is right. Malcanis being unafraid to tell people the truth about Eve and call out idiots is why so many of us voted him in.

You're probably referring to Malcanis, eh? For your information, people who voted him in knew how he was before he was elected. If CCP thinks he is doing something wrong, I am sure they would attend to it. But since they haven't, and he has been being himself ever since elected, I don't see any issues. In fact, in the next CSM, I am going to vote for him if he runs again because I like how he tells people how it is, even if they feel it's rude and insensitive.

Looks like you're barking up the wrong tree OP. I have seen nothing anywhere saying you have to be a nice person to be CSM. I propose censoring the OP for starting a rant thread, which is against the forum rules.

FTFY you definitely don't speak for me, or many other people who play Eve, if you did, you'd be on the CSM.

Another thread from a shiny new forum alt whining about Malcanis being blunt. We elected him precisely because of his bluntness and his understanding of the game, and how to improve it. If the OP and and all the other detractors don't like it they have a few choices :

• HTFU and deal with it, he's not going to change.
• Put forth their own CSM candidate who will pussyfoot around peoples delicate sensibilities.
• Use the hide post function via right clicking the posters name and selecting the appropriate option, that is freely available on the forums; if they're unsure how to use it, they should ask Harry Forever, he's an expert.
• Complain some more and be subject to more ridicule.

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but this thread has certainly swayed my opinion.

Next election, I'll be voting for Malcanis twice.

If by "how he was" you refer to his forum behaviour, I didn't, but I voted nonetheless.
Probably because I'm putting cleverness, good ideas and matching of opinions above personal matter, charisma and personality. Which is what electing a representative should be about, I think.

As long as he's keeping it within the rules and ellaborate his thoughts when being contradicted, which he's done so far, I see no problem here. That's just your usual forum taunts and arguments.

OP is basically being offended by Malcanis being involved in a meaningless argument, because someone took it bad when he dropped a simple "for the thousandt time" when explaining an issue. That's a storm in a teacup.

I must agree. IMO, he was fishing for a lifetime ban. Instead, you ended up with more time to tend to your duties as King of Space.

But really, though, there are comments across the internet calling for your irl lynching. One must laugh at the hypocrisy of calling for the public execution of someone for "cyberbullying".

I don't suppose you've read the Cracked.com article on you? That has some of the very best stuff on it. He compares you to the Eifel Tower of douchebags.

Although oddly I tend to find this kind of thing primarily offered from people who don't really know what EVE is, or how it works. "Blowing up another player's ship! Egad!", it's still very interesting to see just how stupid the general public is.

Also, nice talking to you, hi, I'm Kaarous, big fan. Totally don't hold the "death of BoB" thing against you, either.

I am fully grown. The person who he said these things to was very, very offended. I am standing up for her, the same way I like when people stand up for me when I'm in similar situations.

That's called being a grown up. Standing up for what's right instead of allowing people to tramp all over whatever they want. Ignoring it because it's inconvenient for me to have to make a 10 minute thread is childish and immature. Selfish attitudes are prevalent among the younger generations, we become more socially aware of each others situations as we progress in life.

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I ask that CCP doesn't allow the popularity of this CSM member to stand in the way of doing what's right. Clearly he has a following that likes him. This does not represent the entirety of the community. Only certain personalities will come onto a forum and vote on such things; the vast majority of people will not. You cannot consider his forum popularity in this decision; he has disregards 3 rules in the Terms of Service and disrespected another member to the Nth degree for no reason.

Reality check: just because you're offended by something does not mean that you are entitled to anything on account of being offended~