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Came back to the game when I saw the expansion, now leaving again thanks to pvp.

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Arela Huren
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-11-24 09:34:26 UTC
Speaking as someone who's playing this game solo, And doing exclusively low sec PVE since day one here, Granted i haven't been playing that long (just over 3 months).

You're way off the mark here. It's entirely possible to do PVE in low sec, You just need to know the game mechanics, including how to spot a gatecamp and heavily pirate infested areas before even going there as well as how to avoid them if they find you.

You also do not in any way need a PVP fitted ship to have a chance to avoid getting killed, I do it every day in PVE fitted ships and i've yet to lose one.
The new ships also do not give "extra PVP rewards", There's no such thing as PVP rewards in the first place other than whatever mods survive the explosion to be looted.

About your idea to allow people to flag themselves so they can't be attacked.... No, Just no.

This game is not a PVE centric game, Even PVE activites like exploration, mining and ratting is to some degree pvp because of the way the market works and part of the what makes EVE, well... EVE is that it IS possible to get ganked at any time, in any place if you're not careful, Take that away and all you've got left is an extremely mediocre PVE experience. The PVE mechanics on their own doesn't have what it takes to compete with actual PVE focused games.

If the kind of game where it's possible to do just about anything as long as you can figure out a way to succeed at it, Including killing other players for no reason other than the thrill of the hunt is not your kind of game... Well, then EVE is probably the wrong game for you to play, It's a sandbox game that is very much PVP centric, That said there's plenty of other games that DO allow you to play PVE exclusively without having to worry about other players and i'd rather prefer you play one of those than have this game changed to suit your wants, Especially as EVE is probably the ONLY game of it's kind.

As i said, I'm 100% focused on PVE activities like exploration, Mostly in low sec, And if the PVP part of those activities were removed i would quit the game in an instant, As would a very large segment of the playerbase. If you didn't risk losing your ship every time you undocked, If you didn't have to carefully doublecheck any deal you accept... well, Then EVE wouldn't be EVE, And i like EVE for what it is.

You want to enjoy the exploration aspects of EVE? That's great, Do your research, Learn how to avoid getting ganked and don't fly a ship you can't easily replace several times over, Just in case your opponents manage to catch you out. But don't go and ask the devs to change the ONE game of it's kind into a generic, sub-par PVE experience with no risk simply because you made a mistake.
Gabriel Karade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#62 - 2013-11-24 09:45:00 UTC
Flakus wrote:


I'm I missing something here?, is there a way to enjoy this game PvE style, with exploration, finding places with probes, hacking lost locations, finding great treasures and such, or is it just cold facts, EVE is a mostly PvP game?

Yes and I believe, ironically in your case, it is that you simply haven't played enough to learn.

War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293

kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-11-24 09:57:58 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Flakus wrote:
The last couple of times I have quit this game, I have been ganged coming through a gate, and if it's not true same happen all over again

And it's going to keep happening for as long as you keep playing badly.


What do they call people that keep doing the same thing over and over and getting the same unwelcome results?


To OP - It's really a combination of what some people said about this might not be the game for you and that you just need to expect to encounter PVP and expect to lose your ship. I've always found that that way I am never disappointed.

Also OP, people have responded in quite a civil manner to the fact that you are complaining about an aspect which makes up the very basis of EVE.

On a slightly different note though, in the words of Mr Thomas Edison:
"If I find 10,000 ways something won't work, I haven't failed. I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is another step forward. "

You don't HAVE to leave, you could just take the advice given you here and take another crack at it, just be more prepared?



Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#64 - 2013-11-24 10:18:21 UTC
If you would like to have a chat about what happened look me up. We are a low sec PvP corporation PvPing in low sec.

I looked at the loss mail and I suspect you were caught in a site?

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-11-24 10:28:25 UTC
Flakus wrote:


I'm I missing something here?, is there a way to enjoy this game PvE style, with exploration, finding places with probes, hacking lost locations, finding great treasures and such, or is it just cold facts, EVE is a mostly PvP game?


Nope, you're not missing something, EVE is pretty much purely competitive with crappy PvE to match.
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2013-11-24 10:33:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Flakus wrote:
The last couple of times I have quit this game, I have been ganged coming through a gate, and if it's not true same happen all over again

And it's going to keep happening for as long as you keep playing badly.


What do they call people that keep doing the same thing over and over and getting the same unwelcome results?

They call them the electorate.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#67 - 2013-11-24 15:06:57 UTC
Why doesn't anyone check the map before going into low?

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#68 - 2013-11-24 15:08:04 UTC
If only they had a ship that could be invisible, and a fast align time and some kind of anti scramble technology.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-11-24 15:12:47 UTC
Miilla wrote:
If only they had a ship that could be invisible, and a fast align time and some kind of anti scramble technology.

Now you're just trolling.
We all know there's no such thing.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#70 - 2013-11-24 15:21:06 UTC
Every single combination of ship and fit geared towards exploration will leave you gimped in terms of tank, dps and mobility. The dangers of entering hostile space with a ship that's almost certainly weaker than that of your opponent is part of what makes exploration exciting and challenging. Exploration in a pure pve environment would be like playing an fps multiplayer game alone only to explore the map and admire its beauty without getting shot at. How fun is that?
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-11-24 16:41:27 UTC
This is certainly a cry thread

Game was garbage in 2003

don't go into dangerous space if you dont want to get popped

Eve is not for you.

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool

Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#72 - 2013-11-24 16:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Optimo Sebiestor
It requires skill and knowledge to survive in eve. You can easily avoid pvp encounters in low and no Security Space. Unless you meet someone With more skill and knowldege than you. Its like chess!

And by skill, i dont mean what you trained on Your character sheet.. Lol
Frozen Chief
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-11-24 16:59:53 UTC
Pretty sure he's trolling guys :P.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#74 - 2013-11-24 17:18:09 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me that threads complaining about jerks & bullies in the game always become magnets for jerks & bullies to come and act like jerks & bullies on the forums as well.


There is no such thing as a jerk or bully in EVE online, because the game gives you these things called guns that you can make someone stop with. That is unless you are such a panzy that fighting for yourself even in a video game is impossible.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#75 - 2013-11-24 17:23:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
There is no such thing as a jerk or bully in EVE online, because the game gives you these things called guns that you can make someone stop with. That is unless you are such a panzy that fighting for yourself even in a video game is impossible.


Fair enough, but it's a lot harder to pod someone on the forum. Maybe that's why everyone is so much braver there, eh?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#76 - 2013-11-24 17:27:07 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
There is no such thing as a jerk or bully in EVE online, because the game gives you these things called guns that you can make someone stop with. That is unless you are such a panzy that fighting for yourself even in a video game is impossible.


Fair enough, but it's a lot harder to pod someone on the forum. Maybe that's why everyone is so much braver there, eh?


Some of us post with our mains so its not like they cant track us down.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-11-24 17:33:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
There is no such thing as a jerk or bully in EVE online, because the game gives you these things called guns that you can make someone stop with. That is unless you are such a panzy that fighting for yourself even in a video game is impossible.


Fair enough, but it's a lot harder to pod someone on the forum. Maybe that's why everyone is so much braver there, eh?


Some of us post with our mains so its not like they cant track us down.

Exactly.
That's not happening though,
because most people are stupid, loudmouthing cowards.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-11-24 17:45:49 UTC
Not liking Eve because there is PvP is like not liking coffee because there is water in it.

This game is obviously not for you.

You obviously do not like being an explorer. You think you like being an explorer, but exploration is inherently dangerous, and you're obviously ludicrously risk averse when it comes to your space pixels.

You are not an explorer - what you are is more aptly called a tourist.

As an aside, you were largely killed by your own ignorance. You returned to the game after being absent for god-knows-how long, overpaid for the brand new shiny thing, proceeded to fly it into danger, and lost it. This is 100% your fault.

You didn't even put the right kind of cloaking device on the thing.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

gaijiin pok
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-11-25 04:55:31 UTC
you know... without the pirates, the gangs, the camps...null and low would be boring as hell, getting away by the skin of your teeth or springing the trap they have for you and getting away with a kill is a very very cool feeling.

if they took away pvp this game wouldn't last long.
Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-11-25 05:57:59 UTC
Just explore low sec around Amarr...... i hear Ami is safe Pirate







also, can i have your things?