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Well Done CCP - OP Success on Nullsec

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#81 - 2013-11-24 14:41:12 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.


That's not how wars work. Winning a war leaves a side stronger. Not fighting generally makes it weaker.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#82 - 2013-11-24 14:58:01 UTC
It's intriguing and scary how strongly Eve resembles capitalist society. CCP can't really do anything to *fix* this safe for breaking the sandbox. I believe despair is part of the Eve experience and sentiments like OP's are a defining part of this game. They're the Ahmadinejads, the Kim Jong-ils, the Gaddafis, etc. Why can't everyone have huge supercap fleets? Why can't Iran have nukes? They're futile question but does that mean we should stop asking them?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#83 - 2013-11-24 17:08:47 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
It's intriguing and scary how strongly Eve resembles capitalist society. CCP can't really do anything to *fix* this safe for breaking the sandbox. I believe despair is part of the Eve experience and sentiments like OP's are a defining part of this game. They're the Ahmadinejads, the Kim Jong-ils, the Gaddafis, etc. Why can't everyone have huge supercap fleets? Why can't Iran have nukes? They're futile question but does that mean we should stop asking them?


You seem to have missed the little details about EvE having been created from the ground up as a dystopian, ultra-capitalistic, cold, harsh universe.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#84 - 2013-11-24 19:35:16 UTC
Ted McManfist wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.


Controlling all of null sec is our end-game. Once we do that, we can unlock CONCORD and make all of space 0.0.

Then we are coming for you.

what, a sovreignity blockade of empire

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2013-11-24 19:39:16 UTC
Guess what? CCP doesn't make renters, the players do. Instead of sitting in highsec being a risk-averser go down to nullsec and shoot them.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2013-11-24 19:40:23 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
That's not how wars work. Winning a war leaves a side stronger. Not fighting generally makes it weaker.

Highsec - getting stronger since 2003.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#87 - 2013-11-24 20:46:51 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
RMTsec


I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#88 - 2013-11-24 20:49:11 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.


Pandering to highsec? Care to elaborate on that?

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2013-11-25 01:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost Phius
Vicky Somers wrote:
It's intriguing and scary how strongly Eve resembles capitalist society. CCP can't really do anything to *fix* this safe for breaking the sandbox. I believe despair is part of the Eve experience and sentiments like OP's are a defining part of this game. They're the Ahmadinejads, the Kim Jong-ils, the Gaddafis, etc. Why can't everyone have huge supercap fleets? Why can't Iran have nukes? They're futile question but does that mean we should stop asking them?



1.You need to stop watching the corporate sponsored brainwashing tube, they LIE!!!!

2. EVE is EVE designed from the ground up NOT to be a realliffe Utopian view of space or the future of humanity. It's a game with a WIDE artistic license. In other words relax the RL comparisons or you look like a nutter. YMMV of course.Roll
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-11-25 01:11:04 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.


Pandering to highsec? Care to elaborate on that?


Surely You're Joking

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#91 - 2013-11-25 01:21:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.


That's not how wars work. Winning a war leaves a side stronger. Not fighting generally makes it weaker.


Winning a war makes you stronger...I would suggest you look at the history of your own country with that little dustup called WWII. The u.s. came out of it great, because it's infrastructure was untouched, and huge amounts of coin was thrown at industrial infrastructure for the war effort, and the G.M.'s and Ford's of the u.s. kept on rolling from that.

U.K. , not so much. Russia did crank up its Siberian industrial zone, but given that half of its country became scorched earth, kinda lost out too...

Yeah, goons watching the medium powers duke it out, burning resources and capital, just get stronger and stronger relatively speaking.
Ryhss
#92 - 2013-11-25 01:29:01 UTC
OP, show me on the doll where the corp touched you....

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-11-25 01:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?



Well no, but the "landlords" of said slums are getting ready to head out to the "Undiscovered Country", "The Promised Lands", "Astra Incognita"... you know... Jove Space.

You do keep up with these little tidbits that gradually filter down like mana from the gods, like building stargates and new regions, right ?

Didn't think so. Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#94 - 2013-11-25 01:32:13 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.


They don't "fold". They don't accept being poo-ed on their face, it's different.


No it's not, a strong person fights, a weak one runs. The venue (video game or real life) doesn't change this fact.


Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#95 - 2013-11-25 02:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.


They don't "fold". They don't accept being poo-ed on their face, it's different.


No it's not, a strong person fights, a weak one runs. The venue (video game or real life) doesn't change this fact.


The "runners" in a sub-based MMO run knowing that just by threatening to run they become the strongest.

The world is extra-full of weak persons.

When we had a sort of "strong person" selector in the form of natural selection we were 250M worldwide. This means that some billions people are not fit to even survive in a truly competitive, brutal nature.

Now let's guess: EvE is already a niche game, do you think they can afford the luxury to let the "less than fit" go away? In that case EvE would too be 1/20 of what it is, that is down to 20k subs.

This detail gives immense power to those who can ransom EvE into being what they want - and sometimes - need.

So, the weak threatens to run, does not actually run. Yet they get what they want. Because if they didn't then EvE itself would fold.

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-11-25 03:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


When we had a sort of "strong person" selector in the form of natural selection we were 250M worldwide. This means that some billions people are not fit to even survive in a truly competitive, brutal nature.



Wat? Shocked
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#97 - 2013-11-25 06:50:06 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
Vicky Somers wrote:
It's intriguing and scary how strongly Eve resembles capitalist society. CCP can't really do anything to *fix* this safe for breaking the sandbox. I believe despair is part of the Eve experience and sentiments like OP's are a defining part of this game. They're the Ahmadinejads, the Kim Jong-ils, the Gaddafis, etc. Why can't everyone have huge supercap fleets? Why can't Iran have nukes? They're futile question but does that mean we should stop asking them?



1.You need to stop watching the corporate sponsored brainwashing tube, they LIE!!!!

2. EVE is EVE designed from the ground up NOT to be a realliffe Utopian view of space or the future of humanity. It's a game with a WIDE artistic license. In other words relax the RL comparisons or you look like a nutter. YMMV of course.Roll


I'm sorry if you missed it but that post was satire.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2013-11-25 08:16:19 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
RMTsec


I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member.

Yeah man, I just bought my third yacht off interest generated from putting all my RMT'd cash in the bank.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#99 - 2013-11-25 14:39:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
RMTsec


I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member.

Yeah man, I just bought my third yacht off interest generated from putting all my RMT'd cash in the bank.


He actually hired someone to count his yachts for this post.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-11-25 17:21:01 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
RMTsec


I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member.

Yeah man, I just bought my third yacht off interest generated from putting all my RMT'd cash in the bank.


He actually hired someone to count his yachts for this post.


Not only are we content creators we are also job creators.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise