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Sometimes you see things that just makes you feel sick.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#1 - 2013-11-24 10:40:08 UTC
To be safe, count all links as not kid safe.

Like most people i read the news more or less every day.

Granted being Norwegian, and Norway seeming to be more obsessed about talking about the latest top blogger or what kind of food makes you fat i guess im more sheltered from the "disturbing" news articles that others might see on a daily basis.
But even then, i see an article about someone getting killed, i read it, shake my head and wonder what makes someone do things like that, close it and stop thinking about it.
Not sure if that makes me a bad human being, or if its just that i have gotten so used to seeing things like this both trough the news, movies, tv shows, books, magazines that it simply dosent strike me as "odd" anymore.

But sometimes there are articles that makes me read them, even tho if i know just from the headline that it will make me feel sick and angry and wanting to..well..do not so nice things to people. Now im also realistic enough to know that news papers have to get sales, so of course there is a big chance that they exaggerate the article to get reactions, but still knowing that...

Anyway, here is a link to the article and video, that i did not manage to force my self to watch(strong pictures) and for the English speakers i will do a quick summary.
Basically they tie down the rabbits by the paws, rip the fur off while they are still alive, put them back in their crates and repeat the procedure every few months for a couple of years at which point the animal gets put down.

Here is the weird thing, while im strongly opposed to animal cruelty, im a meat eater (give me a salad and i will look at you like your mad), i wear leather, drink milk and use other dairy products more or less every day, and grew up on a farm and dident even have to be explained that at some point the animals would be sent to the slaughter house.
Basically, i feel that there is a need for most of the things we do get from animals, meat, coat or whatever, but still i get furious when i see things like this.
This picture actually describes my feelings pretty well.

So here is the point of this thread.

First off im sure that someone would love to try and figure out why i react so strongly on one thing that many will think is "less" bad because its "just an animal", so for the people that enjoy playing psychologists have fun Smile

Second, is there something that triggers you and makes you wonder why you keep watching/reading the news every day knowing that there is a high chance you will see something that upsets you?

And yes, im also aware that this might turn into a "animal hater against animal lover"...discussion, and if that happens, i apologize to the mods right away since i know those discussions can become pretty heated rather fast.

PS. Its 2.30 in the morning, and i felt a need to rant Smile
The Zetin Sunn
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-11-24 11:22:52 UTC
If this makes you as angry as you say it does, don't read about what's going on in the central African republic or DRC. You'll have an aneurism.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#3 - 2013-11-24 12:12:10 UTC
As I see it, death, sufffer and bad things are a part of the universe. They happen continuously without human intervention and too often beyond human control.

But that doesn't entitles us to not avoid them as far as we can, because we're human, and we human are the ony moral thing we know in the universe.

We are the only ones who can consider that certain things are wrong, and as such we are to judge and act, specially if there's other humans involved.

Of course, being moral it's a tricky thing...

Let's look at a heated debate currently ongoing here in Spain: should the border fence between Melilla (a Spanish city in northern Africa) and Morocco have barbed wire on top?

Military barb wire, with blades, used to be on top of the fence, was removed, and now has been put back. Many voices deem that it's unhuman to use it, as illegal immigrants jumping over the fence may wound themselves with the blades, and actually some are known to have been arrested in Melilla still bleeding from little wounds caused by the barbed wire. Mind also that those ilegal inmigrants are 90% black African, and the rest are mostly Moroccan and other fair-skinned African.

The reactions are, well, funny. Specially if you enjoy surrealism and are aware that we're talking about Spain.

Some are blaming the Government for being cruel. The President hasn't stated anything, just he has asked for a report on wether the barb wire is dangerous and/or inhuman (no kidding). The Attorney General(?) has ordered that it must be removed as it's contrary to human rights. Police forces state that, well, the fence is not to be jumped, and the barb wire has effectively diminished the attempts to jump over it. Conservatives are mocking on the "efforts" to let illegal immigrants enter our country and the EU unharmed when they trespass ilegally the border. Liberals are openly accusing the Government and the police forces of racism and stating that if the inmigrants weren't mostly black, there wouldn't be barb wire to stop them. Et cetera, et cetera...

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2013-11-24 12:24:44 UTC
We have bigger problems with humans, to be honest:

Terrifying 'knockout' game assaults spreading


"A sick so-called game known as "knockout" -- where teens randomly sucker-punch strangers with the goal of knocking them unconscious with a single blow -- is catching the attention of law enforcement throughout the nation.

"Knockout" can be fatal. In New Jersey, Ralph Santiago, 46, a homeless man, was walking alone in Hoboken on the night of September 10 when he was suddenly struck from behind, said Hoboken Detective Anthony Caruso."


Society will not survive crap like this. It just cannot function with this kind of paradigm even existing.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-11-24 17:03:30 UTC
I've said it before (probably elsewhere) and I'll say it again.

Our "civilization" is living in its end-time.

Things will get worse before The End.

Then, it'll become really bad. Sad
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#6 - 2013-11-24 17:19:07 UTC
There is a good reason to get upset about that. It is one of the worst kind of cruelty against animals and the process will bring alot of pain to them.

Humans using animals for food, for their skins and such is a natural part and I dont see anything wrong with that. Life and death is a part of the nature and some animals are above the others. But ethics is an important factor when dealing with the life of another being and the people who are totally careless about ethics for the sake of profit should be shot.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#7 - 2013-11-24 18:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
We have bigger problems with humans, to be honest:

Terrifying 'knockout' game assaults spreading


"A sick so-called game known as "knockout" -- where teens randomly sucker-punch strangers with the goal of knocking them unconscious with a single blow -- is catching the attention of law enforcement throughout the nation.

"Knockout" can be fatal. In New Jersey, Ralph Santiago, 46, a homeless man, was walking alone in Hoboken on the night of September 10 when he was suddenly struck from behind, said Hoboken Detective Anthony Caruso."


Society will not survive crap like this. It just cannot function with this kind of paradigm even existing.



I agree, this "kockout" game can end fatal!

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-11-24 19:08:42 UTC
People pretty much need to block these things out or they will go insane. All the murdering, raping, slavery, religious nuts, terrorism, war and other **** is always out there but it's not healthy to think about it.

As for the animal cruelty thing: Animals are conscious (usually not self-conscious), living beings with feelings just like people. I can live with myself for eating meat, drinking milk etc. because I enjoy them and getting those things doesn't mean torturing animals (killing isn't torture).
I've heard about videos where people skin living dogs and watch them die due to blood loss and my reaction is that these people don't deserve to be treated any better than they treat those dogs. If somebody assaulted and killed those people I wouldn't mind.

But like I said, you just have to let these things go, because worrying about it won't do anything other than damage your mental health.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#9 - 2013-11-24 20:06:17 UTC
as terrible as the world seems today...it eases my mind a little bit to know that, despite what we constantly see and read on the news, we actually live, right now, in the most peaceful time humanity has EVER known. fewer wars, fewer crimes and fewer atrocious behaviors per capita than at any point in recorded history.

it seems far worse than it is because bad **** is all you see on tv or read in the papers. because good news does not sell. never has. so all the worst of humanity comes out in the media. because that's what garners the attention. that's what makes the money.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#10 - 2013-11-24 21:48:57 UTC
Regarding the barbed wire discussion: If the fence cannot have barbed wire, isn't the fence useless enough to warrant its complete removal? If the fence is deemed necessary, why not have the barbed wire on top of it? Anyone not wanting to get cut can just refrain from climbing the fence.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia

Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#11 - 2013-11-24 21:49:27 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:



I agree, this "kockout" game can end fatal!



yeah, the moron who assaults someone else just for the fun of it getting shot I couldnt care less about.

And to those saying nature is cruel and death is natural and such, there is nothing natural about the bio industry
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#12 - 2013-11-24 23:00:34 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
Regarding the barbed wire discussion: If the fence cannot have barbed wire, isn't the fence useless enough to warrant its complete removal? If the fence is deemed necessary, why not have the barbed wire on top of it? Anyone not wanting to get cut can just refrain from climbing the fence.



Congratulations, you have just shown more common sense than a lot of politicans who blame the European Union for the deaths of those African refugees that drowned while crossing the Mediterranean...

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2013-11-24 23:21:49 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
People pretty much need to block these things out or they will go insane. All the murdering, raping, slavery, religious nuts, terrorism, war and other **** is always out there but it's not healthy to think about it.

But like I said, you just have to let these things go, because worrying about it won't do anything other than damage your mental health.


I agree with the sentiment, but going around pretending all is well while wearing rose-colored glasses never, ever solved anything.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#14 - 2013-11-24 23:26:36 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
Regarding the barbed wire discussion: If the fence cannot have barbed wire, isn't the fence useless enough to warrant its complete removal? If the fence is deemed necessary, why not have the barbed wire on top of it? Anyone not wanting to get cut can just refrain from climbing the fence.


That's the point. The fence it's 6.5 meters high, so anyone climbing on it is taking a risk to injure himself with or without barbed wire. And yet they climb it, because there's Europe on the other side. Barbed wire was removed after a series of mass assaults in which some immigrants injured themselves with it (not kidding, it's Spain!), and was reisntalled later, apparently to deincentivize climbing on the fence (which, as i said, is tall enough to pose a threat).

Now, behind mass assaults usually are the Moroccan police forces, who abuse systematically the immigrants who loiter in camps around the fence (as they're illegal immigrants to Morocco too, of course). And once one of those immigrants cross the fence, hey, they're not Moroccan so they can't be returned there, so there is a continuous pull and push between immigarnts, Spanish authorities and Moroccan authorities. Once they see too many n******, they push them so they assault the fence.

And meanwhile Spanish play the role of surreal stupid.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#15 - 2013-11-25 01:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
We have bigger problems with humans, to be honest:

Terrifying 'knockout' game assaults spreading


"A sick so-called game known as "knockout" -- where teens randomly sucker-punch strangers with the goal of knocking them unconscious with a single blow -- is catching the attention of law enforcement throughout the nation.

"Knockout" can be fatal. In New Jersey, Ralph Santiago, 46, a homeless man, was walking alone in Hoboken on the night of September 10 when he was suddenly struck from behind, said Hoboken Detective Anthony Caruso."


Society will not survive crap like this. It just cannot function with this kind of paradigm even existing.

Yeah this was featured in our local news (Tasmania, Australia) today in fact. There's even been some incidents of it taking place here and police are fearful this 'game' is catching on internationally.

I can empathize with the OP. One of my jobs is at our local court, the other in a prison psyche hospital, so I get the joys of listening to stuff that makes me feel sick on an almost daily basis. Having two daughters myself it's the kid stuff that upsets me the most.

It's my job, so I don't really have a choice to not read/listen to these things (in fact I'm usually face to face with the **** who did it and have to be polite and professional). But if I did have a choice I think I'd still want to know. Just like you "can't fix stupid" you cannot stop these human cycles. There will always be animal cruelty, sadly, will always be murders, rapes, thieves and pedos. You can either switch off from this and pretend it doesn't happen, or you can read/listen and educate yourself.

Since I want to be able to impart the best life-education I can to my girls I choose to read about these things and listen, instead of turn the page or walk out.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#16 - 2013-11-25 01:59:21 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:
I've said it before (probably elsewhere) and I'll say it again.

Our "civilization" is living in its end-time.

Things will get worse before The End.

Then, it'll become really bad. Sad

So long as it comes in the form of a zombie apocalypse then I'm down for "The end" Pirate

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Dangirdas Bachir
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-25 07:43:35 UTC
Oh trust me, there is way more ****** up **** out there. Take a trip to 4chan and you'll see!

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-11-25 08:44:23 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Frank Millar wrote:
I've said it before (probably elsewhere) and I'll say it again.

Our "civilization" is living in its end-time.

Things will get worse before The End.

Then, it'll become really bad. Sad

So long as it comes in the form of a zombie apocalypse then I'm down for "The end" Pirate


Depends.

If its night of the living dead walkers, sure.

If its runners or super zombies... ill blow my own brains out there and then.

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Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-11-25 11:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Frank Millar
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
People pretty much need to block these things out or they will go insane. All the murdering, raping, slavery, religious nuts, terrorism, war and other **** is always out there but it's not healthy to think about it.

But like I said, you just have to let these things go, because worrying about it won't do anything other than damage your mental health.


I agree with the sentiment, but going around pretending all is well while wearing rose-colored glasses never, ever solved anything.

Indeed. But back in the day, you and I had no knowledge about what some sick **** on the other side of the globe was doing.

Now, because of the interwebz, it's common knowledge within minutes.

So, it's not so much about rose-colored glasses, as I don't need to know.

Ignorance is bliss, and all that.
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-11-25 11:40:44 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
as terrible as the world seems today...it eases my mind a little bit to know that, despite what we constantly see and read on the news, we actually live, right now, in the most peaceful time humanity has EVER known. fewer wars, fewer crimes and fewer atrocious behaviors per capita than at any point in recorded history.

it seems far worse than it is because bad **** is all you see on tv or read in the papers. because good news does not sell. never has. so all the worst of humanity comes out in the media. because that's what garners the attention. that's what makes the money.


This is only true if your looking at it from a western point of view, or if your looking at % of deaths per head of population.

It is in no way true if you look at actual numbers of people killed or deaths resulting indirectly from wars worldwide (iraq war indirectly killed over a million by some figures if you count refugees dying from exposure), or even murders in western world. A lot of evidence actually points to lower violent crime rates in cities in 1800 then at present.

Not surprising perhaps considering the population growth. saying the world is more peaceful is kind of strange though, some parts of it is while large swathes of it stll enjoy genocidal wars, mass **** as a wepon alongside dismemberment and child soldiering.
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