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Came back to the game when I saw the expansion, now leaving again thanks to pvp.
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Flakus
A New Journey
#1 - 2013-11-23 23:01:12 UTC
Is this a crybaby thread?, maybe, maybe not.

When EVE came back in 2003, I like many others started to play this lovely game, and what a game it was / still is.
You can write page after page about all the great features, possibilities and the endless space, but sadly it only takes a few negative ones to remove the joy of playing the game.

I have been away from the game, and the coming back a few times now, and sadly the same element ruins my fun.
Now I'm no where near an expert in this game, so what I'm saying now may be so wrong as it can be, but still.

It seems like gate camping is still a very viral option in the game, and that if you move your ship outside of secure space you must have a pvp fitted ship, to just stand a chance of getting away. The last couple of times I have quit this game, I have been ganged coming through a gate, and if it's not true same happen all over again.

I'm a explore, I like to see things in games, go to the edges of the world enjoying all the small hidden places. This also goes for EVE, so when I saw the new expansion had two new explore minded ships I was sold. I reactivated my account, log into the game, sold what ever I could, to afford the new Stratios, popped it up with modules and left the station.

Some people talked in the chat about the new ships being targets for gang pvp, since they gave some kind of extra pvp reward ?. Maybe I should have payed more attention there, since right away I when through a 0,5 to 0,4 I was welcomed by a group of pirates waiting. I managed to flee a couple of times, but through out the weekend, I was met with small gangs tracking my movement and after a gate jump they managed to get the kill. And right there I once again stopped playing.

No doubt it's my own fault, the rules of the game is clear. In systems with 0.4 and below it's a free world for pirates, so I could just have kept my ship in 0.5 and above. But that leaves a great part of the game-world out of my reach. I don't like to PvP, I enjoy the PvE exploration part, with random PvE encounters that are balanced not a 20+ pirates vs you.

I don't know how many people that don't play EVE because of this, but I know a handfull that have stopped on this account.
It's a open world, but should it not in some way be possible for PvE people to explore the world without getting ganged time after time?.
What about a option PvE option, that you could only turn on in secure space, travel out into the 0.4 and below in PvE mode, then if you wanted to change to PvP, you had to travel back to secure space and turn it off again. This way it will not interrupt the big PvP world, since people can't just move out in PvE mode and then turn PvP on when they are where they want to be.
I really want to enjoy this game, but the constant tread of PvP gangs, are just making this game not for me.

I want to explore, but from what I understand you have to go to 0.4 and below to find anything. And only a small portion of the game world is 0.5 and up. It feels like playing world of warcraft where you can only be in Goldshire.

I'm I missing something here?, is there a way to enjoy this game PvE style, with exploration, finding places with probes, hacking lost locations, finding great treasures and such, or is it just cold facts, EVE is a mostly PvP game?
Xurr
Wasted Potential.
#2 - 2013-11-23 23:03:47 UTC
Death is near meaningless if your ship is cheap.

A quality exploration frigate is very cheap.

Sure it is a pvp game but you control how much of your assets are at risk.
J'mee Leggs
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-11-23 23:04:31 UTC
EvE is a pvp game duh.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-11-23 23:05:39 UTC
Flakus wrote:
The last couple of times I have quit this game, I have been ganged coming through a gate, and if it's not true same happen all over again

And it's going to keep happening for as long as you keep playing badly.

Oh god.
ChrisLCTR
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#5 - 2013-11-23 23:09:08 UTC
Qutting the game because you died?

Confirming crybaby thread. This isn't the game for you if you can't handle your s*** every time you lose.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#6 - 2013-11-23 23:14:05 UTC
Stay in high sec until you get a T3 trained up. Then fit a covert ops cloaking device, then install the subsystem that makes it so you are immune to warp bubbles. Then you can go anywhere you want without much worry. Just have to learn to warp cloaked and so on. I would practice the methods in high sec until you get it down. Doesn't take long to get into a Strategic Cruiser (T3). Only downside is the T3s are a bit pricy, and be a bit pricy getting it set up.
Vladimir Gurney
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-11-23 23:14:36 UTC
Try using D-scan ,check the starmap for number of pods and ships killed in the last hour, avoid low systems near mission hubs...etc

It's really not that hard to avoid PvP in low sec if you know what you're doing.
Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
#8 - 2013-11-23 23:17:30 UTC
Welcome to the sandbox.
I'm sorry you have trouble accepting free will.

May I have your possessions?
Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-11-23 23:18:48 UTC
OP is not a true explorer then. If you want something safe and simple, go explore wal-mart. If you want to be a true explorer, then you will go all over the world exploring stuff
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#10 - 2013-11-23 23:18:56 UTC
Bye can I have your stuff?

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#11 - 2013-11-23 23:19:28 UTC
Quite simply, if you want to be a PVEer in a PVP area, be a smarter PVEer.

You have to know PVP to know how to avoid it.

Either that or join a corp that does live in lowsec. Not only will this corp teach you to PVP (and expect you to help from time to time), you'll also get allies that back you up when you're al out there running the PVE yourselves...

The Drake is a Lie
Xero Rico
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#12 - 2013-11-23 23:21:02 UTC
For you and others like you, I'm willing to throw in my 2 cents. I'm someone who spends a lot of time doing PVE in low security space. It took me awhile to feel comfortable there, but I avoided any really horrible incidents by following a couple of basic steps. First, I learned all I could be watching some helpful youtube videos to learn what to expect in low security space. Second, I didn't fly what I wasn't willing to lose.

EVE is a great game in my opinion because it makes losses meaningful, but it also allows you to choose your own level of risk. Any ship I fly, even if I'm in high-sec, I assume I am going to lose it.

From the OP, the cringe-inducing thing for me to see was this:

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I reactivated my account, log into the game, sold what ever I could, to afford the new Stratios, popped it up with modules and left the station.


First, if you have to sell off everything you own just to fly a ship, you shouldn't fly it. Not in high-sec, definitely not in low-sec. Second, When there is a new ship added to the game, lots of people want to get a killmail of that ship. So you are going to be hunted more than usual if you fly it. Finally, the Stratios is a cov-ops capable ship that should be very difficult to catch if you know what you are doing with it. I would recommend learning some about how to stay safe in low-sec, then getting yourself into a cov-ops frigate and spending some more time in low-sec. Learn about making safespots, staying cloaked, and how gate aggression mechanics work, among other things.

EVE can be a harsh learning environment but to me the keys have always been to fly cheap stuff, learn as much as possible from others, and most of all learn from my mistakes. You need to be willing to have some losses, make some dumb mistakes, and learn and grow from it or EVE is not going to be a fun time for you.
Flakus
A New Journey
#13 - 2013-11-23 23:21:57 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Stay in high sec until you get a T3 trained up. Then fit a covert ops cloaking device, then install the subsystem that makes it so you are immune to warp bubbles. Then you can go anywhere you want without much worry. Just have to learn to warp cloaked and so on. I would practice the methods in high sec until you get it down. Doesn't take long to get into a Strategic Cruiser (T3). Only downside is the T3s are a bit pricy, and be a bit pricy getting it set up.


Thanks for a useful answer / advice, I will defiantly take that into account.
Progeny Soames
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-11-23 23:22:29 UTC
Paradoxically, the best way to learn how to avoid PvP, is to engage in PvP. Learn the tactics and counter accordingly.

Fly smart, don't be a target.

Be careful, though. I've known many a mild pilot who professed not to like PvP, only to end up becoming absolute monsters!
Flakus
A New Journey
#15 - 2013-11-23 23:30:21 UTC
Xero Rico wrote:
For you and others like you, I'm willing to throw in my 2 cents. I'm someone who spends a lot of time doing PVE in low security space. It took me awhile to feel comfortable there, but I avoided any really horrible incidents by following a couple of basic steps. First, I learned all I could be watching some helpful youtube videos to learn what to expect in low security space. Second, I didn't fly what I wasn't willing to lose.

EVE is a great game in my opinion because it makes losses meaningful, but it also allows you to choose your own level of risk. Any ship I fly, even if I'm in high-sec, I assume I am going to lose it.

From the OP, the cringe-inducing thing for me to see was this:

Quote:
I reactivated my account, log into the game, sold what ever I could, to afford the new Stratios, popped it up with modules and left the station.


First, if you have to sell off everything you own just to fly a ship, you shouldn't fly it. Not in high-sec, definitely not in low-sec. Second, When there is a new ship added to the game, lots of people want to get a killmail of that ship. So you are going to be hunted more than usual if you fly it. Finally, the Stratios is a cov-ops capable ship that should be very difficult to catch if you know what you are doing with it. I would recommend learning some about how to stay safe in low-sec, then getting yourself into a cov-ops frigate and spending some more time in low-sec. Learn about making safespots, staying cloaked, and how gate aggression mechanics work, among other things.

EVE can be a harsh learning environment but to me the keys have always been to fly cheap stuff, learn as much as possible from others, and most of all learn from my mistakes. You need to be willing to have some losses, make some dumb mistakes, and learn and grow from it or EVE is not going to be a fun time for you.


Hehe, you are so right in so many ways.
When all comes to all, as I also said, it's my own damn stupid fault. As others also says, do the research before heading out into the unknown.
Thanks for the meaningful reply.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#16 - 2013-11-23 23:32:04 UTC
Bosena is a busy lowsec area.

Check the map for ships killed, or check dotlan for the same things.

if in doubt, pop ahead in a shuttle.

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#17 - 2013-11-23 23:45:33 UTC
Flakus is an appropriate name.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#18 - 2013-11-23 23:46:29 UTC
"I'm like, not an expert or anything, and I like, have no idea what I'm talking, just in case I'm wrong."

Not a good sign you should make a GD thread.



- Most of lowsec is not camped. Spend ten seconds thinking about it and you'll realize why, and maybe even figure out where to enter.

-You can do exploration in any space, but it's proportionally more rewarding to do it in areas that you need to be clever about getting into. This is a basic principle of EVE.


-You have very little clue what you're saying about the motivations behind pvp. LRN2PVP, if only by reading up on it, and you'll find out how to be an unenticing pursuit.

-CLOAK FFS

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
GreenSeed
#19 - 2013-11-23 23:47:07 UTC
eve has the best pve, NPCs are players.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-11-23 23:53:56 UTC
You would not have gotten caught in a covops most likely, which is a cheap exploration ship.

Either way, you cannot avoid PVP in this game, it will find you eventually, if you really hate it then I am sad to say this just isnt your game.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
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