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Well Done CCP - OP Success on Nullsec

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Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
#61 - 2013-11-23 10:48:22 UTC
Job Valador wrote:

... instead of complaining that their is none.


There, their, they're.

Feel better now?

Spelling!
BEPOHNKA
Ner Vod Fleet Systems
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2013-11-23 16:40:53 UTC
What your asking for is a buff zone more space from CCP! Their going to be more space added i'm sure over time!

HIGH SEC -->LOW SEC --> NPC 0.0 -->NULL SEC


Your idea has already been talk about in the CSM note this year... maybe it will happen maybe not.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-11-23 17:40:49 UTC
Cedille Mureau wrote:
Job Valador wrote:

... instead of complaining that their is none.


There, their, they're.

Feel better now?

Spelling!

"instead of complaining that they're is none."
Thanks! I'll remember that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#64 - 2013-11-23 17:50:35 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#65 - 2013-11-23 18:07:55 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
If you don't like the renters, shoot them. If you are in an alliance that has renters and you disagree with the renting program, drop corp and shoot the renters. If you are jealous of all the bank these groups are making off of renting then not only should you shoot the renters but the landlords as well.

If you don't like the status quo of things going on then actually do something about it than putting up a pointless thread.


Maybe pointless to you but not to me, that's why we all have opinions. Sorry you don't agree. After playing eve for 10 years and seeing it come to this after all the years of making eve 'better', with more conflict, content etc etc I think i have a right to my opinion. I am not that naive to believe everyone will agree with me.

So quit bitching and start shooting. If you don't like the renters, stop being in corps and alliances that promote renting.

The onus is on YOU bitter tear-filled vet to make the content you want, not on CCP. Stop whining and start shooting.

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Caldain Morrow
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-11-23 18:09:49 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.

All The Isk.

By the way, there's still space in Period Basis and Branch, so if you're thinking about renting, shoot me a mail, we'll see what works for you.

Or you could rent from progodlegend. But then beware the cfc groups



So, this is all well and good and I'm seeing lots of posts about how rent is cheap. How much *IS* rent on a system these days (average)?
mama guru
Yazatas.
#67 - 2013-11-23 18:15:27 UTC
Seleene should have stayed at CCP.


Sov has been complete **** since its reworking in 2010. Capitals and Supercapitals are still broken.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-11-23 18:38:17 UTC
mama guru wrote:
Seleene should have stayed at CCP.

Sov has been complete **** since its reworking in 2010. Capitals and Supercapitals are still broken.


Since Seleene is generally seen as the driving force behind the Dominion expansion which gave us the era of megablobs, permagrinds and supercap swarms, these two sentences would seem to be somewhat contradictory. Care to elaborate?

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2013-11-23 21:34:02 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
mama guru wrote:
Seleene should have stayed at CCP.

Sov has been complete **** since its reworking in 2010. Capitals and Supercapitals are still broken.


Since Seleene is generally seen as the driving force behind the Dominion expansion which gave us the era of megablobs, permagrinds and supercap swarms, these two sentences would seem to be somewhat contradictory. Care to elaborate?


They only put in a fraction of what he had intended and then walked away, Dominion was supposed to have a ton more material attached to it that CCP just never made the time for and never bothered finishing, its got nothing to do with Selene and everything to do with CCP failing (as per the usual) to finish a 'feature' they put in.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#70 - 2013-11-23 21:37:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.


They don't "fold". They don't accept being poo-ed on their face, it's different.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#71 - 2013-11-23 21:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
So, null sec folk who keep complaining about how useless null is, want the likes of me to relocate there?

How does that work then?

Remove the over inflated player egos from null and I would probably spend more time there.


You don't understand. It isn't that our egos are inflated, so much as the vacuum of nullsec pulls on our egos to fill the void.


I see you are now closer to an apparently obvious truth that most don't get.

Dull Sec is boring. When I stopped having time to play in a (very nice, I really loved them!) corp, I tried the "lone wolf in null sec" life. And guess what, it sucked.

The other null sec peeps never managed to kill me (but came close a lot of times), but that made my forced-super-casual-player life in there the sucks. So I went back to safe low sec for a while, in my old home and then I even stopped having the time to do L4 in low sec and I had to become an "high seccer" (read: can play once every 3 days).

And you know what?

High seccers do have the best place for a casual player.

And you know what?

A lot of players are casual like me and they face the choice: keep playing the game they love even if that means staying in hi sec or leave EvE for good. Because in EvE it sucks being a lone player (or one in a 10 men corp, where people log in 2 hours each a week, at different dates). It sucks but at least it's bearable in hi sec.
In low it's harder already and in null it's an exercise of frustration. Sure, some love the nomadic ninja life but most of us do come from the comforts of having been in a proper null sec corp and like being in a "civilized" place. If it has to be NPC civilized, well... too bad.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-11-24 02:19:30 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
mama guru wrote:
Seleene should have stayed at CCP.

Sov has been complete **** since its reworking in 2010. Capitals and Supercapitals are still broken.


Since Seleene is generally seen as the driving force behind the Dominion expansion which gave us the era of megablobs, permagrinds and supercap swarms, these two sentences would seem to be somewhat contradictory. Care to elaborate?


They only put in a fraction of what he had intended and then walked away, Dominion was supposed to have a ton more material attached to it that CCP just never made the time for and never bothered finishing, its got nothing to do with Selene and everything to do with CCP failing (as per the usual) to finish a 'feature' they put in.

This may well be true, however without hearing anything about the 'lost' Dominion features which supposedly would have balanced the fragments which we actually got it's hard to make any worthwhile judgement about them. What we're left with is 'Dominion added zillions of hitpoints to everything and gave us single do-or-die timers which the whole of 0.0 could show up for',which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

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Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
#73 - 2013-11-24 11:01:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

"instead of complaining that they're is none."
Thanks! I'll remember that.


My post was about spelling NOT grammar.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#74 - 2013-11-24 11:42:11 UTC
Even if OP has all rage mode on... He does have a point sort of...

CCP just loves to boost those -1.0 systems better and better. Problem is they are so few and far apart it dosent promote the fighting CCP claims they want. All power blocks has their own little corner thats good for mining, ratting, moon mining... And rest of nullsec is barely worth renting out. Or more accurately, barely worth living in.

This situation clearly is there to keep those power blocks in place. Keep new fellows down. Unless you have good nullsec systems, there's no chance in hell you can build yourself up to take down one of those powerful alliances.

Sadly this is not first time i have noticed CCP says one thing and do something totally different. I wonder if its over representation on nullsec in CSM. PErsonally if i could make ifference how nullsec is developed. I would stop boosting those -1.0 systems. Boost others (0.0 -0.79) So theres more opportunities for new small groups to build wealth it takes to go war against big boys club. If alliance installs upgrades to its ihub it should have chance to those highend anomalies, etc... These were removed not so long ago on massive nullsec nerfbat hit in majority of nullsec. Just find it funny that highsec has better income opportunities then majority of nullsec.

In support of nullsec industry, maybe mining effecting industry level should be boosted so you dont need that huge ammount of mining to get next levels...

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#75 - 2013-11-24 11:56:44 UTC
LUL WUT!!!!!???

How are real people occupying space giving their landlords money a bad thing!!!!!!!???

Hi.
Ted McManfist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2013-11-24 12:39:00 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.


Controlling all of null sec is our end-game. Once we do that, we can unlock CONCORD and make all of space 0.0.

Then we are coming for you.
Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#77 - 2013-11-24 14:19:47 UTC
Can't lay all the blame on CCP- some of the problems are human nature and natural problems that are incredibly hard to solve (curbing the rich-poor divide, for one) in any society, virtual or otherwise.

As much as people may hate the state of nullsec, a lot of the reason it's in that state is that a significant number of players willingly participate and, by their actions, perpetuate and endorse that state. The cynicism that it never changes is based on the fact that it never changes in a way that you want it to- that you're not handed a license to roam/take sov/whatever your goals are just because you want to. The reality is that plenty of people affect nullsec, but they're pragmatic in doing so.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-11-24 14:24:59 UTC
Ted McManfist wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.


Controlling all of null sec is our end-game. Once we do that, we can unlock CONCORD and make all of space 0.0.

Then we are coming for you.

Stop carebearing and do it already. Quicker you do the faster CCP makes changes.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#79 - 2013-11-24 14:33:13 UTC
A wise man once said.. you make your own fun.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#80 - 2013-11-24 14:39:15 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention



This is a big step up from complaints that70% of nullsec is deserted

What's so bad about renters?

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