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Zydrine Options – (February 2014)

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Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#41 - 2013-11-22 22:26:57 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
... he would have to actually perform on his obligations to do that which I am very certain he wouldn't.



Based on what? I already have the Zyd, so why wouldn't I sell at 2,500?




Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#42 - 2013-11-22 22:54:13 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Oh Lucas Kell you have no idea what will happen. You are making an educated guess. The OP could lose his shirt for all we know. Although he would have to actually perform on his obligations to do that which I am very certain he wouldn't. This is just another elaborate scam. I tried selling legitimate option contracts on minerals a while back and got very little traction. And it wasn't this nonsense where the strike price was 4X the spot price either. I think a major part of the problem with this plan, whether legitimate or scam, is the sheer amount of DUMB on these forums.
Yes, an educated guess. It's not the first time I've speculated on the market, and to date I've not been bitten.
With this particular case, you'd have to believe that Zydrine is going to spike considerably higher than it has spiked in the past 4 years. Even to hit his lowest level it would have to match the biggest spike. There simply isn't enough being used in the new BPOs to warrant speculation that Zydrine will rise a considerable amount. All that's boosting the current spike is other people speculating the same thing, and suppliers halting sale until a peak. The second someone with a good volume sees a peak, they will sell, triggering a mass sale from other stockpilers.
It's not the first time it's happened, and it won't be the last.

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Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#43 - 2013-11-23 00:10:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
The second someone with a good volume sees a peak, they will sell, triggering a mass sale from other stockpilers.



In your opinion, what volume you think will trigger such a mass sale? 20M, 100M, 500M ?




Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#44 - 2013-11-23 00:27:22 UTC
Block Ukx wrote:


"Based over the past couple weeks, Zydrine prices have been rising from a consistent 550-500 to 1000-1200. Reasons have been given which include ore rarity, ship consumption (raising demand for all minerals) and the amount needed for BS construction. Calls for increased mining of precious ore has not been enough. Zydrine output (just like oil in real life) is at maximum and there isn't much capacity to go any higher" - Venna

Noticed that I only change the price from the original quote. Do you still think is irrelevant? It seems that the 10 year old quote applies today. History repeats itself.


Yes, I still think that is irrelevant. First off, the price hasn't gotten to a consistent 1000-1200. Second, no one has claimed ore rarity as a cause. In fact, Zydrine producing ores can be spawned as much as people are willing to mine. There is no artificial limitation on the amount of ABC ores in the game. The more 0.0 miners mine, the more those ores spawn. That wasn't possible 10 years ago.


Quote:

Here is another quote:

People choosing not to heed my advice will be obvious. They will be the ones posting over the next couple of weeks threads entitled "Zyd prices out of control," "CCP please intervene," and "We need Ark and Crok in 1.0 space!" - Venna


I think that statement will come true in a few weeks. Let's see how long it takes before we start seen those kinds of threads appearing on MD.


People can post what ever they want. I doubt any post asking for ABC ores in high sec or asking for CCP to intervene will be taken seriously.


Quote:

I really hope ccp keeps their hands out of this one and let Zydrine spike wildly.


CCP rarely intervenes to stop price spikes. The only case I am aware that CCP will act is for PLEX. The reasons for that exception should be obvious.






Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#45 - 2013-11-23 11:57:15 UTC

Zydrine price down this morning

Buy 700 Sell 800

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#46 - 2013-11-23 14:21:56 UTC
Block Ukx wrote:
Molic Blackbird wrote:
I thought you were done offering these types of investments? At least that's what you've said after previous attempts never worked out.Smile



Yes I did. They don't seem to work for lack of interest. Let's see if it works this time around.



It's not just that.

People in EvE tend to survive thanks to their cynism skills.

First thought that comes to mind is: "Hmm.... so that guy wants me to buy. It's certainly because he knows some undisclosed information announcing huge price drops. So that guy wants to screw me. After all, if he did not want to screw me, he'd not issue this investing scheme at all and would benefit himself from all of it".

Now, I am not stating you in particular are doing this initiative to screw anybody but when the average EvE Joe sees an (apparently) complicate investment scheme he WILL question about why.

Said that, I'd love it was possible to introduce more advanced financial games. Seeing how many years it took just to get a blue highlight on our own orders, I am quite pessimist about seeing any market improvement anytime soon.
Derp Durrr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-11-23 17:01:51 UTC
Somehow I can't stop thinking about nocxium while I'm reading this.
when it hit the price of 80 per unit, everyone was caling it a manip. when it hit 150, I thought I was too late to jump on and it had peaked out. at 300 I realized I was wrong but now really missed the hike. at 600 I kicked myself for staying out of it. all the wile, people were calling it a scam. now, roughly 2 years later, price has stabilized and it would be hard to believe nocxium will ever go back to where it came from.

I remember Block's previous price insurance and the reactions from the MD community. at 290, everyone was calling him crazy for what he predicted. yet he proved to be right and probably made a killing at the time. now I'm not calling this initiative legit, however I've seen this happen before (with or without the OP's help, after all it is Block we're talking about Blink)

what I find way more interesting at this point, is the future of Zydrine. it's been at an all time low for quite some time, going up was simply inevitable. I have never seen zydrine go beyond 1700 per unit, so 2500 seems a bit overrated. then again, so was nocxium at 150, let alone at 700.

TL;DR:
Manip or not, something is going to happen.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#48 - 2013-11-23 21:56:20 UTC
Derp Durrr wrote:
Swhat I find way more interesting at this point, is the future of Zydrine. it's been at an all time low for quite some time, going up was simply inevitable. I have never seen zydrine go beyond 1700 per unit, so 2500 seems a bit overrated. then again, so was nocxium at 150, let alone at 700.

TL;DR:
Manip or not, something is going to happen.


Stop stimulating my chartology organs or I'll pull out a Zydrine analysis soon! Shocked
Derp Durrr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-11-24 01:21:12 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Derp Durrr wrote:
Swhat I find way more interesting at this point, is the future of Zydrine. it's been at an all time low for quite some time, going up was simply inevitable. I have never seen zydrine go beyond 1700 per unit, so 2500 seems a bit overrated. then again, so was nocxium at 150, let alone at 700.

TL;DR:
Manip or not, something is going to happen.


Stop stimulating my chartology organs or I'll pull out a Zydrine analysis soon! Shocked



Twisted
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Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#50 - 2013-11-24 12:33:28 UTC


Zydrine purchase price slightly higher at 725 while sell price slightly lower at 772 this morning.



Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#51 - 2013-11-25 00:52:13 UTC


Zydrine UP
Buy 796
Sell 851

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#52 - 2013-11-25 03:54:58 UTC
As my Twitter followers know already, I have published a Zydrine market analysis.

It talks about the market including if / where it'd be safe(r) to buy.
Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#53 - 2013-11-25 07:24:17 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
As my Twitter followers know already, I have published a Zydrine market analysis.

It talks about the market including if / where it'd be safe(r) to buy.


Tha'ts pretty good analysis, however I'm more interested in predictions of how much units of zydrine will be used per day in the future as that is kind of the easiest tell to buy/sell.Since patch day volume is between 52-84m units per day.If it goes below 50m per day I think we can say zydrine won't be rising anytime soon.Sad

knowledge is power.

Derp Durrr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-11-25 07:47:00 UTC
"This is an analysis was sort of “stimulated” by Derp Durrr on the Zydrine Insurance EvE forums thread."

Cool Glad I could help you reach "new heights"...

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#55 - 2013-11-25 08:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Grozen wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
As my Twitter followers know already, I have published a Zydrine market analysis.

It talks about the market including if / where it'd be safe(r) to buy.


Tha'ts pretty good analysis, however I'm more interested in predictions of how much units of zydrine will be used per day in the future as that is kind of the easiest tell to buy/sell.Since patch day volume is between 52-84m units per day.If it goes below 50m per day I think we can say zydrine won't be rising anytime soon.Sad


I created EvEMarketHistoryDump, the program behind my charts, to precisely suit my style of trading. It allowed me to directly implement my RL trading method in EvE.

What you ask for, is "volumes trading". It's a different and very powerful other method I have seen applied with great success by a Russian guy who immigrated in my country (he posted a lot of material on the same Italian trading forum where my method was first published). In order to do that, you have to write a different application which is not mine and for a method which is not mine.

You would need to implement a cache analysis application that stores the single orders volumes, matches them, allows you to plot the various volumes with their distribution on the scale of price and also with the main orders creators names.

That's a major effort, I am not sure anyone would do such a software for somebody else, expecially since in EvE it's illegal to pay RL cash for such tasks (RMT) and I'd definitely charge a lot of money to implement that.

EvEMarketHistoryDump alone is worth some thousands of [place here your 1st world RL fiat currency name], I have posted it for everybody's use because I have done the investment for myself anyway, like Entity posted a major EvEMarketHistoryDump component for everybody's use because he has done the investment for himself anyway (and both of us like to share).
Maru Sha
The Department of Justice
#56 - 2013-11-25 13:37:42 UTC
Block Ukx wrote:
Zydrine Insurance – (Buy Option)

The price of Zydrine has increased steadily since the launch of Rubicon. In the last 24 hours alone, the Zydrine price has gone up ~ 20 %. There is no way of telling where Zydrine price will end up but at this rate you can expect Zydrine price to reach 2,000 – 2,500 by the end on next week. However, manufacturers, traders, and speculators can protect themselves against outrageous Zydrine prices in the future by purchasing Zydrine Insurance.

The Zydrine Insurance policy is basically an option contract, where the policy holder has the option and it is not obligated to purchase Zydrine at the specified strike price any time on or before the policy expiration date. Each single contract consists of 100,000 units of Zydrine available for delivery in Jita Hub with a January 31, 2014 expiration date. There are three different options to choose from that are priced accordingly.

To reserve your policy simply post here the number of contracts and the contract ticker you would like to reserve, and send the policy payment to Block Ukx. All purchased policies will be listed in this thread.

To redeem your policy simply evemail me with the number of contracts you would like to redeem. If you prefer a cash settlement, I will sell the Zydrine for you at the best available price, and deliver your profits in ISK.

Do not hesitate to ask questions. Suggestions are welcome.





PRICING

Contract Ticker : ZD1500
Zydrine Price : 1,500 ISK per unit
Policy Price : 10,000,000 ISK

Contract Ticker : ZD2000
Zydrine Price : 2,000 ISK per unit
Policy Price : 5,000,000 ISK

Contract Ticker : ZD2500
Zydrine Price : 2,500 ISK per unit
Policy Price : 2,000,000 ISK



Total Policies Available : 900
IMPORTANT: Available contracts and prices subject to change depending on market conditions.


CURRENT POLICIES


I can't help but think of this here:

Arji Otsito wrote:
So I setup a little ad, selling BPO's that are not even in-game yet (ad can be seen bellow).

I "sold" 27 billion worth of Rubicon BPO's... that's 27 billion profit in 4 days.

To All you IDIOTS who after 10 years of eve still cant tell what the most basic scam of all time looks like. (gimme your money now and you get 'it' later)

Of the 107 people who willingly sent me their money, 101 of them wanted it delivered in Jita.

Let me make this clear -> THE BLUEPRINTS ARE BEING SOLD AT JITA BY THE NPC's

Thank you eve for supplying sufficient Idiots that i can now buy my Nyx, in 4 days.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#57 - 2013-11-25 15:09:10 UTC
For the laziest of you, I have transposed the website analysis into an EvE forums post.
Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#58 - 2013-11-25 22:58:48 UTC

Interesting analysis VV.


Zydrine DOWN
Sell 814
Buy 778


I'm considering adding a ZD1200 policy. Any suggestions on how to price an insurance policy?



Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#59 - 2013-11-26 07:56:17 UTC
Block Ukx wrote:

Interesting analysis VV.


Zydrine DOWN
Sell 814
Buy 778


I'm considering adding a ZD1200 policy. Any suggestions on how to price an insurance policy?
My suggestion would be to stop trying to scam people. You know full well Zydrine will not reach the prices you list.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#60 - 2013-11-26 13:47:57 UTC
Additional reply to:

Grozen wrote:

Tha'ts pretty good analysis, however I'm more interested in predictions of how much units of zydrine will be used per day in the future as that is kind of the easiest tell to buy/sell.Since patch day volume is between 52-84m units per day.If it goes below 50m per day I think we can say zydrine won't be rising anytime soon.Sad


Here's what you want: Screenshot.