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Salvage Drone Skills
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Kontrapshun
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-11-22 14:29:48 UTC
So I am a new character and would like to know if the Salvaging skill will add value to Salvage Drones

I will only use Salvage Drones and didn't want to waste time past level II on salvaging if it didn't help the Drones chance.

Thank you in advance for your help.
Vkar Darkwing
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-11-22 15:27:46 UTC
It helps their chance of salvaging successfully but does not help the chance to get good loot from the salvage.

Hope that helps.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-11-22 16:56:03 UTC
Kontrapshun wrote:
So I am a new character and would like to know if the Salvaging skill will add value to Salvage Drones

I will only use Salvage Drones and didn't want to waste time past level II on salvaging if it didn't help the Drones chance.

Thank you in advance for your help.



the Salvaging skill is for the high slot salvagers, it does nothing for the drones.

the salvaging drone operations skill is for the drones, it does nothing for the highslot salvagers but it helps the drones salvage faster.

neither skill changes what you get, just how fast you get it
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#4 - 2013-11-23 00:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Janna Sway
Kontrapshun wrote:
So I am a new character and would like to know if the Salvaging skill will add value to Salvage Drones

I will only use Salvage Drones and didn't want to waste time past level II on salvaging if it didn't help the Drones chance.

Thank you in advance for your help.



That's what you think "now", but don't worry, your plan will not last for long.
Eventually you will notice that you "need" at least Salvaging at level 3, and shortly after you will notice that you need highslot-salvager modules as anybody else does.
Aluka 7th
#5 - 2013-12-06 19:44:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Sorry, only now I see your tread.

First you have to know that all ships with salvagers are invincible :)
Second is you can't salvage everything with salvage drones.

Let me give you short math that I did to my alliance mates few years ago:

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Salvage that you get from wreck is defined in moment the wreck is created with big explosion.
Salvaging chance of specific wreck per cycle is sum of access difficulty base and access difficulty bonus.
If it is above 0%, wreck can be salvaged.

Access Difficulty Base
T1 frig wreck has an Access Difficulty Base of +30%.
T1 cruiser wreck has an Access Difficulty Base of +20%.
T1 BS wreck has an Access Difficulty Base of +10%.
Elite Wreck (all T2 ships) has an Access Difficulty Base of -10%.
Advanced wreck (sleeper or T3 ship) has an Access Difficulty Base of -20%.

Access Difficulty Bonus
Salvaging Level II, III, IV, V with "Salvager I" module gives +10, +15, +20, +25% (respectively) bonus.
Salvager II module = 7% per level (requires salvaging Level V skill to equip) = +35%
Small/Medium/Large Salvage Tackle I rig = +10%
Small/Medium/Large Salvage Tackle II rig = +15%
Hardwiring - Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPY-1 implant = +5%

EXAMPLE
Using ship with 400 calibration points as an example, you can attain the following Access Difficulty Bonus with full gear and skills:
Salvager II (module)* Salvaging Level V(skill) + Small Salvage Tackle II (rig) * 3 + PPY-1 (Implant)
(7% * 5) + (15% * 3) + 5% = 85%
Which on sleeper wreck would give 65% chance to salvage in each cycle, +85%-20%=65%.
So all equipment, skills and implants do is raise chance to get salvage in each cycle. What will you get from wreck has nothing to do with your skills because as GMs said long time ago, salvage is defined moment the wreck is created.


NOW, T1 Salvage drones have base Access Difficulty Bonus of 3% and with max Salvage Drone Operation it is 13% (that was checked).
So with max skill to drones you have 3% chance to successfully salvage Tech2 wreck on each attempt (+13%-10%) and no chance in hell to salvage T3 or sleeper wreck (+13%-20%=-7% :)) and that is why you really need salvager module!

Hope it helps!
A7