Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@Bouh Revetoile

I believe you are completely over looking the fact that ranged combat is part of the Caldari gimmick. I believe you are upset that you cannot take a frigate class hull and welp a destroyer/cruiser class hull. You are also not taking into the disadvantage of flight time. Light missiles may be hard to out run in a frigate hull, but seriously you're in a frigate burn outside of range it will take you only a few seconds. Will you be able to apply your damage? No. Will the guy shooting at you from his Caracal? Not once out of range. Stop trying to debuff a weapon system because RLML's made it so Caracal and other missile based cruisers cant be just annihilated by two interceptors.

Further more your fitting examples are quite poor, let me explain. That Cormorant fit is long range glass cannon. Note the complete lack of ANY sort of tank, buffer or other wise.The Corax fit is also quite poor as while it has a MSE and a single invul the fact that it has an afterburner and no web makes holding any sort of smaller target a chore and you could easily find your target getting out of scram range. Now take those fits and put it against other destroyers and cruisers and it doesnt stand a chance if primaried. They are niche fits; very role/gimmick drive, and as stated before what is one of the major Caldari gimmicks? I'll remind you.



It was my opening statement. The reload time is unjust. The issue is damage application against smaller targets and the fact it may be too effective in both a dedicated anti frigate cruiser and also against other cruisers (this hypothesis made with the caracal in mind). Frigates are so fast now it's almost like the old nano days. That said there NEEDS to be a way to counter them with ALL weapon types, not just turrets. RLML's and RHML's provide that ability it just needs balancing and nerfing the reload isn't the way.

Addendum; You mentioned ECM being the great thing about caldari. Since when has a jammer made the final blow on any kill? EWAR has no bearing on this discussion as a pack of Celesti or Arbitrator can be just as effective. ECM has a counter with the sensor strength modules and skills just like you can fit a sensor booster and tracking enhancers.

Seriously... I get that players are not happy with the RLML changes. But this incessant whining is getting tiresome, and I sincerely doubt it's going to have the desired effect. So how about we discuss some KISS fixes?

• Reduce the reload time on RLMLs to 20 or 30 seconds
• Increase the ammunition capacity on RLMLs by 25-50%
• Some combination thereof

Okay, I thought the range bonus on the Catalyst was calculated as being Optimal+Falloff +50% +50% to give a total of 101km before any mods were added, but when I tried to fit one to match that range I realised the fall off bonus doesn't apply to total range, so the Cormorant is capable of far greater range. It's also well outside tackle range so it's meaningless for solo pvp because your target will simply warp off long before you can kill him, even small gangs of Cormorants won't have enough alpha to one shot most frigates, and if your putting together a large gang of cormorants just to one shot frigates there are better things that gang could be doing. With no prop mod how do you get that range advantage in the first place except by camping gates and stations, there are many better options for these jobs. I have seen solo Corm pilots and all they do is sit 80km away inside plexes taking pot shots at people who come in until they warp off, then calling them names in local, and the names hurt more than the cormorant tbh. You won't get any kills with that set up, but yes it does have something the Catalyst doesn't have, not sure it proves anything since it's pretty much useless trolling is your thing.

40 second reload time is stupid for such a low charge yeald. 20 seconds would be more "balanced" i feel.

Talwar is better than the Corax

Fact,

Don't argue !

That doesn't make it right that one race should be way under powered compared the rest just because it used to be good, is this some kind of revenge thing then? Either way I won't be gimping myself anymore by trying to stick with Caldari

20 seconds would be great but I'd rather have much larger ammo capacity so I can kill something before reload. Btw, I still think the whole idea is crap and it should be removed until properly implemented. Otherwise there is a danger right there - trying to fix crap you can end up generating even more crap, being unable to turn crap into something good no matter what you do.

Or you can swap that shield extender for an ancillary shield booster, put on another processor overclocking unit in place of the field extender rig and you can then use a MWD instead of the AB

You're not even able to read a ship description, I give up.

Tell you the truth people whinig and bitching about this will have the affected needed. ANY reload time after 10secs is bullshit, for a weapon system. It has already been stated many times what needs to be done to fix these. I say CCP take them to test server and try some well thoughtout ideas some people have put on here and which ever works the best adjust where needed and put it ingame. Rapids need a REAL fix, so get on it and do that. Stop with the quick fixes and adding reload times where it hasn't been needed for over 10 years. FIX things right. Way to do it is sit down and REALLY make a sound plan and then go to sisi and test said plan, if it works adjust as needed, if not throw it away and start over. Fix rapids, fix HMLs, adjust HAMs slightly, fix defnders, etc. Go back to the CCP we all love.
RLMLs were OP, true and the reasons have been stated too many times to do it again, but to REALLY fix them wouldn't take much or be very hard. Anyone who thinks a Cerb being able to have dual XLASBs, and hit out to 50km and do close to or the same DPS as HAMs to cruisers with RLML, isn't OP is either crazy or doesn't want to loose their OP weapon system. Even on a Caracel you could dual LASBs and out perfer a HAM caracel very easy. But to fix them is easy. Rapids need to use more PG and CPU, change to rockets and assault missiles instead of lights and heavies, and add to RofF by 2 to 5secs and you have a system able to do what it was suppose to, fight smaller ships better, and still do ok against cruisers and BSs but not as good as HAMs do against. Same with assaults for BSs. I know people will ***** about this, some won't want to train other weapon types, some won't want to loose thier OP system (which they have already lost), and some won't want both. Tough, people didin't want to loose what the Dramiel was before, but it was OP so it got fixed. People didn't want HMLs nerfed, but they were OP so they got nerfed (too nerfed, they need fixed again), the list goes on and on. Hell Titans have been nerfed over and over again said with moms, and the skills for those take months and months, but it happened. It's art of EVE. Facts are facts, RLMLs were OP before, and now they are worthless. So instead of fighting about these I said EVERYONE come up with REAL ideas to fix it and mail them to CCP Rise and post them here. If we are lucky some will be looked at and tested on SiSi, and the best will be the replacement for this crazy and terrible idea that is in place now. I hope people do this, enough of us voices our ideas and I believe CCP will need to address it.