Science & Industry

Missioning and ratting sounds like mindless grinding, so I was thinking about taking this road. Right now I am training cov ops and stealth bomber and my skills are remapped for int+mem training.

Should I first train mining skills, or t1 manufacturing skills? How about trading skills?

I was thinking about training invention skills for one ship or module as first and focus on building and trading that as for starters.

Should I try to get into 0.0 as soon as possible? Doesn't 0.0 mining pay out much better than highsec ores?

Any tips for newb?

Welcome Boris.

As a fresh starter you don't have ISK at your disposal but time; ergo you have to find a good way to spend the time you want to invest into the game by doing something that is profitable. At the same time, you wanna make sure it's fun for you, so you actually keep doing it for more than a few hours and then never again. Many people will tell you mining is boring but you have to find out for yourself, some people like it. As a profession to make ISK it's on the bottom end; you're basically being a badly paid mining slave for industrialists competing with bots and the mineral flood from the drone lands. I personally would advice you NOT to spend skill points there. You can try if you like mining in a cruiser and see if you enjoy it.

For me, when I started playing eve trading turned out to be the best time/ISK AND fun to be had with just a million or two of skill points. You can get started with just a couple of millions, a mammoth and some time until you have the skills to fly that stealth bomber. You have to be aware, that each of those costs 15-20m though and they tend to pop pretty quick when you start learning them.

If you're sitting in a stealth bomber, try looking into Faction Warfare stuff, you can make a silly amount of ISK in no time with the added benefit of on-the-fly PvP since you're in low-sec. Make sure you know how to fly it though, best to install the test server client since you can learn and try out stuff on Sisi, the earlier you do that the better, trust me.

Good luck!

I should have mentioned that I would like to make isk in 'passive' way. I will not have lot's of free time to spend on playing this game, so I think ratting and missioning isn't good choice for me.

I thought that mining would be bit more profitable, but guess I can save it for later.

What production skills I should gather and what trading skills I need?

Should I join player run corporation? Would it help me to get started in my career?

PI and Starbase structures is the way to go then

pi makes quite a bit for a few clicks (extracting ideal nullsec) trading is byfar the most passive but required initial investment to make it worth it. (multiplying one million vs 100 or a billion). You can do factory PI but that required investment and depending on setup can't run for more then one or two days without changing stuff out.

trading works even better orders last 3 months. lots of hubs outside jita can be used for trading.

between PI and trading you can't find more passive isk making professions that require few skills, PI is 90% finished at half a million and trading at around 5.

with ridiculous amounts of isk you can do anything.

Passive (or semi-passive means of income):

- PI harvest planets. Minimal capital investment, pays off in 1-2 weeks, if you can reset your ECUs daily you can pull in 800-1200k ISK/day in hi-sec per planet. Perfect for young players with not much extra ISK to their name. Five planets at 5M/day total is 150M/mo which is not shabby. Haul about once a week if you set your world up correctly.

- PI factory planets. Make 1-5M ISK/day, depending on what you make for P2/P3s. But you have to keep buying inputs off the market and sell the outputs. Generally best done next to or in the same system as a major trade hub where you have a steady and reliable supply of inputs and you can move outputs quickly. P4 can be a bit risky and requires even higher amounts of ISK tied up in inputs/outputs. Most only run for 30-40 hours before you have to tend to them, so it's a daily process of moving material back and forth from the station.

- R&D agents (datacore farming), makes about 12-15M ISK per month per L4 agent. Takes about 30 days to pay off (60M ISK in skillbooks) and you have to grind to 5.0 standing with the R&D corp via missions. So plan on 3-4 weeks of mission grinding (depending on play schedule). Very passive after the initial setup, I only pickup my datacores every 3-4 months.

- T1 production, simple set of inputs to keep track of, you can schedule your jobs in such a way that they take exactly N days to complete. Margins tend to be a bit thin until you get up into the range where you are spending 100-500M ISK worth of inputs for each factory line each week. Not hard to make 500k ISK/day per line, bit harder to make 1-2M ISK/day per factory line that you keep busy. Then if you get into the big stuff, generally 3-5M ISK/day.

- T2 production - profitable, but unless you own a BPO, I'm not sure I'd call it passive. Invention jobs only take 1 hour (at a POS) or 2 hours to run. So you have to do multiple sets of those per day. Gotta keep the POS towers fueled and deal with wardecs. The T2 BPCs, you don't get much say over how long those take to manufacture, so you'll have to either accept lots of downtime or live according to an alarm clock. Making BPC copies is a similar issue.

- Moon mining - could be passive, depending on threats. Gotta haul every so often.

- Trade, can be somewhat passive - but probably not in a bigger market hubs. Login, do an hour or two of trading, logout.

Trading can fall under this one BUT you need to have a good isight of what you trade.As such it will take you a few weeks/ few months before you are at the point it becomes allmost fully passive.The isk needed to do this effective for an isk/hour ratio also is a harder one for new players , not much isk to spend in trade means a lot of work to get a nice return daily.

I'd suggest do something else mining/missioning etc and slowly taking the trading in it.this will give you time to adapt to the trading methods as well as enlarge the amount of isk you can play with on the market.

Thanks for all these helpfull answers. I think I will focus on trading at first, and later into manufacturing.

Right now my wallet stands at 70 million ISK, I have been collecting wrecks in lowsec and highsec gates and asteroid belts.

Mining is a fine way to GET STARTED in industry and manufacturing. Mine your own minerals, increase ISK profit margins so you can invest in more infrastructure, like BPOs and ships.

Once your manufacturing takes off, mining just can't supply enough minerals, so you're pretty much forced to buy them in.

Trading is necessary when selling stuff anyway. You need sell orders to get best prices for your stuff, then you need to alter them and compete and so forth. You need buy orders for your inputs anyway, and markets get competitive as people try to shunt you out their niche.

Nullsec is a risky place. Lots of stuff for the taking, but mostly for the people with supercap blobs for the taking of things WITH. Best not to compete as a little guy until they're made ineffective, or the goons are banned en masse for ruining the game for everyone.