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Well Done CCP - OP Success on Nullsec

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Gary Bell
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-11-22 18:53:39 UTC
Wait this isnt the sims?

Got my Captains Quaters.. Gotta work to pay rent..

So lost..
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-11-22 18:57:02 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


Why?



I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-11-22 18:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-11-22 18:58:08 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
Wait this isnt the sims?

Got my Captains Quaters.. Gotta work to pay rent..

So lost..



Was trying to work out the relevancy of your post, and couldnt so moved along.
Commander Spurty
#45 - 2013-11-22 19:14:22 UTC
Copious Reinforce timers killed any joy in killing structures.

Massive slap in the face of bothering with aggression

Defenders get all the love so everyone is a defender (except for the occasional abhoration of a fight where someone turns aggressive and is decisively blobbed )

That's not CCPs dream I imagine. The fighting yes, the sitting around for a fail cascade no).

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#46 - 2013-11-22 19:38:37 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


Why?



I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not


You understand that, just like in real life, most people are followers, not leaders. That creates this situation, is it any surprise that the leader cast takes advantage of it?
CCP created this mess years ago by creating a massive isk fountain of moon goo. After years of making a few Alliances absurdly space rich, they then attempted a nerf of this income, which failed miserably and concentrated the profits into a single moon. This again continued for over a year before they once again attempted a nerf.
The large alliances, sensing that CCP might eventually not fail in their nerf attempts, and addicted to the isk faucet, started getting serious about renting again, the isk must flow....

So, does that answer your question?

You're expecting something other than human nature to apply in a sandbox....

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#47 - 2013-11-22 20:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro Ozuwara
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Some people would just liek the sand type to be adjusted so that massive power blocks with most space being held by incompetent renters to not be the only way to be in 0.0. No need to remove this way of living, some just liekd when eve politics was way more complicated, with dozens of parties to consider.

All I hear is crying. Waah Waah Waah. We can't play the game the way we want.

If you could organize, you could take renter space away from someone. If you wanted to have fun, griefing renters is great.

But people don't do that. They come on the forums, the lowest form of meta game, and complain.

They suck at Eve so they cry about it.

Even if CCP does something to counter renting, at this point, one has to realize that these big, powerful, well organized blocs will just find something else to control and exploit. That's because THEY ARE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.

The way to counter them is to be better.

I have never seen a whiner capable of carrying his own water, so thats probably not going to happen.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2013-11-23 04:02:24 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.

All The Isk.

By the way, there's still space in Period Basis and Branch, so if you're thinking about renting, shoot me a mail, we'll see what works for you.

Or you could rent from progodlegend. But then beware the cfc groups

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#49 - 2013-11-23 04:15:11 UTC
Quote:
This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!


Exploiting what resources? Because if you're talking about renting, you're talking about nearly worthless truesec.

The nigh worthless asteroids? The 5 or 6 anoms per system per day? The colossal waste of time to improve the system level?

There is nothing there. That's why the alliances don't use it.

If you really want people to use the space they have, then we need to nerf highsec badly enough that the elephant in the room isn't crushing everyone else with isk efficiency.

Otherwise, you're just spouting off.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-11-23 04:30:34 UTC
Provi-bloc, laughing at everyone else in null for 9 years and counting.

Enjoy your 10% tidi and remember to tell yourself your having fun.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2013-11-23 06:56:29 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


Why?



I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not


Because its our space and we're allowed to choose what we do with it, if you want a say go get your own space and do what you want with it? That sounds like a pretty good "why its not" to me.

Alternatively Pandemic Legion offers flexible rates and extremely lucrative deals on systems or whole constellations that would allow you to explore all the possibilities that owning Nullsec space can offer without any of the actual burdens.

Contact us ingame for rates and available systems!

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#52 - 2013-11-23 07:39:51 UTC
I have no problem shooting renters
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#53 - 2013-11-23 08:38:53 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.


You must be one of those people who spills coffee on someone and then blames the person for being there at the wrong time.

What content, other than PVe, can be added to nullsec that is not going to be looked at by nullsec residents who will say "hey, this isn't my killboard" ?

When that live event got fed to a nullsec bubble camp, what did they say in nullsec about that? They said "its just another Thursday".


If things are getting boring out there, it's your bed that you made. Now lie in it.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#54 - 2013-11-23 09:07:55 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?


No, it's a sandbox. Players did that, not CCP.

Quote:
I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.


If that's what you want, go and create it. You have access to the same tools as everyone else, both in game and metagame. The only thing required is vision and effort.
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-11-23 09:28:19 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.


That reasoning is fairly moot, a mayority of highseccers that go by their buisness wouldent leave it, ewen if you dragged them kicking and screaming to low and null, they die in a puff of butterflies the moment they crossed the gate to low, and there be rainbows... so nerfing high only makes people leave

I do agree though with a earlier persons comment about that, if small gangs actually could damage structures in any usefull way, it actually be a point to doing it, but honestly i dont have any good ideas how that could be implemented
Josef Djugashvilis
#56 - 2013-11-23 09:53:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
So, null sec folk who keep complaining about how useless null is, want the likes of me to relocate there.

How does that work then?

Remove the over inflated player egos from null and I would probably spend more time there.

This is not a signature.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-11-23 09:56:48 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
So, null sec folk who keep complaining about how useless null is, want the likes of me to relocate there?

How does that work then?

Remove the over inflated player egos from null and I would probably spend more time there.


You don't understand. It isn't that our egos are inflated, so much as the vacuum of nullsec pulls on our egos to fill the void.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-11-23 10:08:52 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?


No, it's a sandbox. Players did that, not CCP.

He who sets the incentives determines the outcome.

.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#59 - 2013-11-23 10:22:07 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
HATE HATE HATE HATE

TO THE FORUMS!

FOR CHANGE!
Change ... Change never changes...
The end of the change occured pretty much as we predicted...
Too many humans, not enough posting or space to go around...
The details are trivial and pointless; the reasons - as always - purely human ones...
The forum was nearly wiped clean of posting, a great cleansing...
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-11-23 10:26:22 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Copious Reinforce timers killed any joy in killing structures.

Massive slap in the face of bothering with aggression

Defenders get all the love so everyone is a defender (except for the occasional abhoration of a fight where someone turns aggressive and is decisively blobbed )

That's not CCPs dream I imagine. The fighting yes, the sitting around for a fail cascade no).

Exactly right. As long as alliance A needs to turn up at alliance B's strongest time and get squished, no one wants to be alliance A. When alliance B is Goons (37k members) and timers exist this farcical renting crap will continue, not only continue but expand.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)