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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-11-22 19:14:23 UTC
Would somebody get this guy a bottle of warm milk already?

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Rammix
TheMurk
#62 - 2013-11-22 19:23:11 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Would somebody get this guy a bottle of warm milk already?

Would someone teach this guy to not post when he doesn't know what to say?

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-11-22 19:26:15 UTC
Rammix wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Would somebody get this guy a bottle of warm milk already?

Would someone teach this guy to not post when he doesn't know what to say?


Everything there is to be said has been said, repeatedly, by pretty much everyone-who-isn't-you.

It's not a dedicated cov-ops ship, it fills a different role than other ships that get a covert-ops cloak, this is by design, and the fact that you want it to fill a different role than the one it was designed for is tough ****.

You don't like that, though, so like any proper infant you've opted to employ the, "Whine about it until I get my way," strategy, oblivious to the fact that it's destined to be futile.

That being the case, someone should stick a nipple in your mouth and quiet you down.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#64 - 2013-11-22 19:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
SOE ships are not considered Covert Ops class ships, nor are the listed that way.

SOE ships (pirate faction) are supposed to be better than T2 ships in general, but not in the T2 ships area of expertise.

SOE ships are not supposed to out perform the more specialized Covert Ops ships at their own game. Covert Ops ships are supposed to be the best at cloaking.

A 30 second recloak timer is trivially easy to deal with when traveling.

Stop thinking of them as "less effective than a T2 vessel at cloaking" and instead think of them as "more effective than any other T1 ship at cloaking".

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That being the case, someone should stick a nipple in your mouth and quiet you down.


Edit: If that's the penalty for whining, I'll take two please. Big smile

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#65 - 2013-11-22 19:38:25 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
SOE ships are not considered Covert Ops class ships, nor are the listed that way.


Says who? Can use covert cynos, can warp cloaked, can take covert bridges. Its a covops ship alright. Doesn't have recloak reduction? fine.. still a covops ship.

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SOE ships (pirate faction) are supposed to be better than T2 ships in general, but not at in the T2 ships area of expertise.

This is semi true, and has more to do with t2 balancing than it does with what pirate ships are supposed to be. Pirate ships are generous with the bonuses, HP, and fittings. How they size up to their competition varies both by ship and when in Eve's history you're talking about.

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SOE ships are not supposed to out perform the more specialized Covert Ops ships at their own game. Covert Ops ships are supposed to be the best at cloaking.

Except for Black Ops. Are black ops not covert ops? They can't warp cloaked but they can recloak fast, and they are hit by the scan res penalty.

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A 30 second recloak timer is trivially easy to deal with when traveling.

Arguably true. Lets just talk about this instead of arguing weather they're nominaly, technically, semanticaly a "covops ship." Because they are Smile. They're a covert ops ship that intentionally doesn't have a recloaking reduction. This should not cause heads to explode.

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Rammix
TheMurk
#66 - 2013-11-22 20:05:55 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
SOE ships are not considered Covert Ops class ships, nor are the listed that way.

SOE ships (pirate faction) are supposed to be better than T2 ships in general, but not in the T2 ships area of expertise.

SOE ships are not supposed to out perform the more specialized Covert Ops ships at their own game. Covert Ops ships are supposed to be the best at cloaking.

A 30 second recloak timer is trivially easy to deal with when traveling.

Stop thinking of them as "less effective than a T2 vessel at cloaking" and instead think of them as "more effective than any other T1 ship at cloaking".

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That being the case, someone should stick a nipple in your mouth and quiet you down.


Edit: If that's the penalty for whining, I'll take two please. Big smile

Obviously you can't read. In this topic I don't really care about astero being nerfed or boosted. They may nerf it as they will and as far as they will.

But 30 seconds recloaking delay for a covert cloak on a frigate is bullcrap.

SurrenderMonkey wrote:
///blablabla///

That being the case, someone should stick a nipple in your mouth and quiet you down.

You just don't agree, your opinion is different from mine, but that totally doesn't mean that you're right and I'm wrong.

You may troll, you may come up with some "funny" jokes, but I still will think a 30sec delay cannot be sane for a frigate able to use covert cloak (yes, any ship with a covert cloak - is a covert ship).

Let me explain this in the simplest way I can formulate, just for you:
Covert cloak -> covert ship -> covert travel.
Covert travel means you don't have to wait for any stupid excessive timers to travel staying invisible on d-scan for all the time (except docking/jumping/logging-off/pos-sitting).

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#67 - 2013-11-22 20:07:24 UTC
Rammix wrote:


You may troll


DONT MIND IF I DO



You are wrong


Is that ok?

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Pezazz
Kitsune Corporation
#68 - 2013-11-25 08:18:42 UTC
Flown the Astero on some exploration in low sec. The cloaking delay is a bit annoying after using a Helios. But it is not life threatening. The big downside seems to me that others have more chances to see what you are flying, but that doesn't make you much easier to catch. You just have to be more aware of the cloak, rather than automatically going D F1 on each system warp.

The up-side is still major. My Astero has some teeth. All my Helios could do was run.
Tiberius StarGazer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-12-22 23:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius StarGazer
Personally have had some success as using the astero as an anti-covert ops ship catching faction war mission runners and exploration site runners, non combat wise great scanning boat, but I've had very little success elsewhere. As a straight up brawler it suffers somewhat considering if you want those drones to put out more than 60DPS (with lights)then your sacrificing tank, it's capacitor is somewhat poor so it's highs can't really run weapons / neuts for long and I haven't really been able to get it to kite it as I can only get 2,500m/s with no heavy tank and low-grade snakes. The 30second delay means if you decloak you better be sure about it. Or you save it for when you want to get out a tight spot.

All in all, great boat, but I wouldn't take it up against any more dedicated combat ships, particularly brawlers, kiters you may just be able to tank until they give up... Or bring friends. But for me, hunting FW mission runners and explorers it's perfect.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-12-23 04:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:


All in all, great boat, but I wouldn't take it up against any more dedicated combat ships, particularly brawlers, kiters you may just be able to tank until they give up... Or bring friends. But for me, hunting FW mission runners and explorers it's perfect.


This ...

Whilst the final configuration of the SOE ships was not something I could personally make use of (I tried but in the end I sold the two Asteros and the Stratios that I made) many people do use them. They are in high demand and I have even seen small gang sized fleets of Stratios about.

These current SOE ships are clearly not underpowered or they would not sell as well as they do. There is a limit to how many ships will sell on the basis of purely looking pretty in the hanger.

I am a little bit more concerned about the current proposal for the Nexor which seems to have a bit of a "do lotsa different stuff but not all at the same time and do none of those things well" spin to it in its current incarnation ... but this is not the thread for that discussion.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-12-23 07:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Rammix wrote:

30 seconds recloaking delay for a covert cloak on a T1 frigate is perfectly sensible.



Fixed.

Because the fact that a T1 frigate can warp cloaked AT ALL makes it an exceptional vessel for survival in hostile space, lowsec, nulsec and wormhole alike, especially for newer, low-skilled pilots.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-12-23 07:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:


All in all, great boat, but I wouldn't take it up against any more dedicated combat ships, particularly brawlers, kiters you may just be able to tank until they give up... Or bring friends. But for me, hunting FW mission runners and explorers it's perfect.




I don't know about you, but I took an Astero on a solo PVP test run over the last 24 hours, and mine held up quite nicely. Against brawlers, kiters, etc. Even had a Slicer run away from me when he was losing...

Spent some time plexing in Minmatar space as well, solo'd a Comet quite nicely. Until my mate in a Prophecy came along to help finish the job... but the Comet was already in structure when he showed up.

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Tiberius StarGazer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-12-23 07:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius StarGazer
Nice, I've having real trouble with finding that sweetspot with its fittings for pure fighting PvPing.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-12-23 07:58:30 UTC
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:
Nice, I've having real trouble with finding that sweetspot with its fittings for pure fighting PvPing.


I've been experimenting. Tried an alpha arty active armour tank over the last 24 hours, works pretty good but needs a cap booster, so no web. But, soon, imma be tryin a dual NOS fit with active armour. What you wanna do is focus your damage output to drones as much as possible I think. Cap can be dramatic, but not so much that you can't survive without a booster or NOS. A Dragoon or bigger, Amarr-wise, might give you trouble. Anything more than a single medium neut is probably gonna be your downfall if you're active tanked, so I wanna try out a few passive ideas soon.

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