Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because this RLML heavy nerf talk is mostly relevant to cruisers, let's name a few:
- Thorax
- Exequror Navy Issue
- Deimos
- Vexor
- Vexor Navy Issue
- Ishtar
- Vigilant (stolen Gallente design so..)

Don't get me wrong, it's more about weapon systems than about specific hulls. Navy Caracal is pathetic for the cost, Caracal is seriously crippled with Rubicon, Cerberus also just perhaps not as much as Caracal. Dunno about you but I'd 10 times rather fly Deimos than Cerberus, Navy Vexor than Navy Caracal etc... hence IMO Caldari ships "can't hold a candle"

Haha see I'm not to only one. funny you'd think is was my alt though, nice try. You are loosing lights and heavies as the rapid choose, I can see that. Start traning rockets and HAMs.

Well, you'd have to define the use case then, because a HAM Caracal should kill any blaster Thorax, for railgun ones it's a question of seting up the engagement, but as soon as you got under 15km, he is dead too.

Vexor is a bit tougher, but only medium drones are of any threat to you so you shouldn't have problems.

Again, I showed you the application numbers of HAM vs untackled cruisers. HAM hit cruisers fine.

Also, navy Vexor compare to Navy Osprey, not Navy Caracal which is the "attack" navy cruiser. And if you like blasters and caldari ships so much, you still have the hybrid caldari ships which will be as good as gallente ones with blasters ; but asking HAM to be better at brawling than blaster while keeping their range is rather stupid.

So again, as you say it, it's more the weapon system than anything else, and HAM hit cruisers fine while having a long range for a short range weapon, comparable to pulse laser. I'm pretty sure you can reach between 40 and 50 km range with HAM with rigs and make the Caracal a cruiser kiting monster. Of you'll be vulnerable to frigate then, but you can't have everything and a railgun kiting thorax is also very vulnerable to frigates.

If every HAM set would come with one NPC Hyena included, I'd be first to agree with you. Until then, for the hundredth time, NO

I will go through them all in detail, but not in this thread I want answers from CCP and they are obviously ignoring what's been said in here. All I'm saying here is that Caldari ships are inferior, and the general consensus among the many solo and small gang pvp'ers I've spoken to in game is that I'm right about that. If you disagree with this statement it's up to you to provide the examples, I might be missing some but to the best of my knowledge any ship Caldari can fit, one of the other Races can fit a superior version. The only class of ships in which Caldari enjoy any semblance of balance or parity with other races for pvp is in T1 kiting Frigates like the Kestrel or the Condor, and even these only work under the right circumstances and require a lot of skill to use.

Take the Corax for example; Caldari are supposed to be the missile specialists but the Talwar is faster, does the same DPS, can have a better tank, and is easier to fit. I can't fit a Corax with light missiles and a MWD, but I can do that with a Talwar; in fact the Talwar get's a hull bonus for fitting a MWD. When controlling range is important you need to have speed in your favour as well, or at least not be a floating brick. The Corax seems to have been designed specifically so it can't fit an MWD and have light missiles, because that might actually make it useful, but even with the MWD it's so slow it couldn't hope to keep range for long against anything but the slowest armor tanked brawlers. Best case scenario for light missile Corax is to start the battle at range and kill the enemy before it gets to brawling range, if the battle starts at 0 most brawling frigates will be able to tackle a light missile Corax and melt it with superior DPS and tank. It's laughable that a t1 fit dual rep incursus can actually beat a light missile Corax 1 on 1 regardless of where the fight starts, it can burst tank the damage easily and it's able to close the range quickly because it has twice the speed. Rockets? Talwar can fit Rockets and have enough powergrid left over for a better tank than the corax can manage, and the extra low slot allows for more fitting options. Fact is you won't see rocket fit Talwars because while they are better than rocket fit Corax they will still be inferior to LM Talwars.

In a similar way the Cormorant uses the same weapon system as the Catalyst, and get's similar bonuses so we can draw some direct correlations between them, and yet again the Cormorant is little more than a nerfed version of it's Gallente counterpart. Straight away you can see the Catalyst is faster and has an extra turret slot which equates to an additional 15%dps and Alpha damage, it has more EHP thanks to it's larger structure, with a damage control mod the cormorant has 5486 EHP, the Catalyst has 6033. So it's got 10% more EHP, 15% more DPS, and to top it all off it's faster.

Every race has a unique advantage in some certain aspect of pvp, can you tell me what Caldari built in advantage is? I'm really struggling to identify it.

Minmattar get the best speed, massive Alpha, versatility and cheap ships, and share access with Gallente to most of the best pvp pirate and navy faction ships in the game like the Dramiel, the Vindicator and the Cynabal.

Gallente get swarms of OP Drones on steroids, massive DPS potential in all ship tiers, access to the aforementioned Pirate Faction ships and overall it just feels like the "re balancing" efforts I've seen so far seem to be focused around ensuring Gallente have the best ship in every tier.

Amarr get buffer tanks and decent DPS potential but they are another race of ships that could use some attention to be honest, but even they have quite a few stellar performers in certain roles.

Caldari have the slowest ships, and that is a terrible handicap for a race that supposedly reliant on controlling range because it is woefully inadequate in close range engagements due to bad tank and terrible dps. We have by far the lowest potential DPS, both on paper and applied, and now we have yet another tier of ships that are utterly useless in PVP because they are vastly inferior to their Gallente and Minmattar counterparts.

Eh, I rather not. I just don't think you would taste too good. How is the new rockets and HAM training going?

Denial of reality...

Man if you hate caldari doctrine so much why are you trying to fly them ?

FYI, caldari currently have the best frigates. Hawk is unbeatable in scram-range fights. Hoolbill is borderline OP whatever the job you ask her to do. Condor is kiting king for T1 frigate. No other destroyer than the Cormoran can shoot at 100km (even cruisers will have a very hard time shooting that far) and have very effective railgun fits. And for cruisers and above, they are by far the best for any shield fleet you would need but the kity ones (well, in fact, even for these I'm sure I can find some very good caldari ship).

If you don't know what caldari have, I'll tell you : caldari have the longest range in game, and the beeffiest shield in game. They don't rely on controling range but on continuous shooting whatever the range the ennemy is, while sustaining enemy fire. Like amarr they are more fleet oriented, hence why they are slow and have long range weapons.

Of course their speed make them less ideal for kity solo jobs, but why should we have all races the same ? If you don't care about range and robustness, look elsewhere. Minmatar have good missiles ship now for exemple.

On a side note, caldari have very effective railgun ships which also work with blasters, but I know a lot of caldari pilots feel dirty when they use these weapons.

PS : it's always a question of the right tool for the right job. If you always need in your face facemelting dps, then fly gallente and don't try to do it with caldari ships. But don't ask gallente ships to shoot too far, because they're clearly not good at that.

So you'd prefer your launchers to be droped in space, not move and be destroyable ?

If you are asking would I prefer Domi over Raven - yes, anytime.