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Where is the fun PvP at? (TiDi free)

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Spurty
#21 - 2013-11-22 13:20:00 UTC
Grab interceptor and go to null and look around.

Systems are somewhere between Empty and one guy docked up.


Sure you get he occasional gate camp of lame, but hey you're in an into so keep on moving.

Everyone is in high sec making isk

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#22 - 2013-11-22 13:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Diamond Zerg wrote:

And by that I mean has nice strategy, one side does not hugely outnumber the other (or bring a ridiculous amount more ISK/ECM etc)

It up to you to make sure this doesn't happen, not up to your enemy. Also "bringing" large numbers, is not the same as fighting "large" numbers. Learn to control engagement ranges and you can fight groups who "bring" large numbers by "fighting" them one or two at a time.

Diamond Zerg wrote:
I'm not referring to arranged numbers, I'm referring to situations where the opponents are usually somewhat even.

If your looking for this your doing PvP wrong. You need to be arranging situations in which you are going to win, not looking for 50/50 toss ups. If your going into a fight without a decent indication of how likely you are to win, then your going to lose every time. For a good PvPer the fight is already over before you even engage your enemy. It's all about information gathering.

Diamond Zerg wrote:
Are wormholes truly the only counter to the enemy winning with sheer numbers?

There are many counters to much larger fleets. A fleet of 100 Auto-cannon shield canes will get ruined by 10 guys in Arty alpha nados. It's about what you bring, and how you use it as well as (most importantly) effectively managing ranges.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-11-22 14:35:48 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
I'm not referring to arranged numbers, I'm referring to situations where the opponents are usually somewhat even.
Or at least, as close as you can get to this in EVE.
Many nice strategy games both virtual and physical have lots of these situations.


Your first response was in fact a very good one.
Join a null pvp corp (they hang out in npc null).
Then attack various renters and sov holders (both of which will be far far larger entities)
let the good times roll.
it is fun as you are the small force but focused on harrassment and chaos amongst people that just want to nullbear in peace.
You get great fights, have great times and cause many tears. Also no tidi as anyone bringing a fleet that size you have to stay away from anyway due to the fact that it outnumbers your whole alliance if they logged on and fleeted up all at once.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-11-22 14:46:00 UTC
I agree that it seems the best bet for the OP would be a 'parasitic' (feeding off sovholders) NPC null alliance.

And if it's not, then just try something else (lowsec, WHs); that's what makes this game so great.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

WASPY69
Xerum.
#25 - 2013-11-22 14:58:22 UTC
I like how you use "fair" and "fights" and "eve" in the same sentence. If you are fighting "fair" in eve you are doing something very wrong.

On a second note, yes, Black Rise is amazing for small scale fights. Expect to run into local pirate camps and skirmish boosted **** however.

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-11-22 15:03:57 UTC
FW space! A lot of solo fights, rarely do I run into a gatecamp (at least compared to how people make it seem) and there is true, exciting pvp to be found.

@WASPY

Many people are looking for fair fights, nothing wrong with that. Actually yesterday I requested a 1vs1 to another frigate who was obviously looking for a fight, apparently he only takes calculated risks and this was not one of them, laughed my ass off told him stop your risk game and start having fun. IMO you are doing it wrong, but who's to say whats wrong?

I disagree

Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#27 - 2013-11-22 15:08:14 UTC
Hi OP,

What you seek can be easily found by looking no further than my forum sig. Blink NPC null rocks! I'm not talking about mining, before anyone asks - we gte lots of small gang action with other NPC Null inhabitants, as well gobbling down plenty of nullbears, nomnomnom! Big smile
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-11-22 15:09:03 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
I agree that it seems the best bet for the OP would be a 'parasitic' (feeding off sovholders) NPC null alliance.

And if it's not, then just try something else (lowsec, WHs); that's what makes this game so great.


HEY
i object to the parasitic word. We are glorious freedom fighter struggling against the huge autocratic player empires trying to enslave the capsuleers.
Or maybe we are terrorists exploding civilian and miliatry infrastructure.
Or pirates /highwayman.
Or maybe we like making life a bit harder for nullbears in the same way that gankers make life harder for the carebears.
Others operating in this life are mercenaries doing it for gain.
By weeding out the weaker prey us npc null players help keep the herd of null life healthy and robust.
predators would be a better word then parasite (which would be better applied to nullbears that don't help with intel, logistics or sov fleets)

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-11-22 15:10:48 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Hi OP,

What you seek can be easily found by looking no further than my forum sig. Blink NPC null rocks! I'm not talking about mining, before anyone asks - we gte lots of small gang action with other NPC Null inhabitants, as well gobbling down plenty of nullbears, nomnomnom! Big smile


I can confirm that if you fly the same TZ the nyan cat guys are skilled , fun and active. Also they should come over and fly with us again.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

WASPY69
Xerum.
#30 - 2013-11-22 15:16:16 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
@WASPY

Many people are looking for fair fights, nothing wrong with that. Actually yesterday I requested a 1vs1 to another frigate who was obviously looking for a fight, apparently he only takes calculated risks and this was not one of them, laughed my ass off told him stop your risk game and start having fun. IMO you are doing it wrong, but who's to say whats wrong?

Oh don't get me wrong! I welp my ships all the time fully knowing i will create a hilarious lossmail. I'm just saying, if you are fighting and looking for fights with the Intention of winning , then you need to assess and calculate risks. Not just blindly get into the first fight you get. And winning, knowing i completely outmatched, and completely obliterated my opponent without much of a fight IS fun to me, and the majority of eve players.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-11-22 15:45:02 UTC
kk, i can accept predators as a better description

i chose parasite out of lack of consideration, not any considered malice

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#32 - 2013-11-22 15:45:48 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Hey guys!
I have a very interesting question for you fellows, it's about where to find fun PvP Big smile.
And by that I mean has nice strategy, one side does not hugely outnumber the other (or bring a ridiculous amount more ISK/ECM etc) and there is not a huge amount of TiDi in the system.
Assume that the person searching for this fun has a few billion ISK and good subcap skills.

So yeah, basically good battles that are competitive and a ton of fun!
Where can I find them?


Lowsec.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-11-22 16:23:22 UTC
Usually those "live events" through Irhal and Doril are great for PVP... "great" being a relative term, and relative to whether you're the camper or campee. Blink

But, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah... stinkloaods of PVP fun. P

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#34 - 2013-11-22 16:39:31 UTC
FW lowsec. Bonus points for not joining either side of the militia, thus doubling your targets.

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Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-11-22 16:48:44 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Hey guys!
I have a very interesting question for you fellows, it's about where to find fun PvP Big smile.
And by that I mean has nice strategy, one side does not hugely outnumber the other (or bring a ridiculous amount more ISK/ECM etc) and there is not a huge amount of TiDi in the system.
Assume that the person searching for this fun has a few billion ISK and good subcap skills.

So yeah, basically good battles that are competitive and a ton of fun!
Where can I find them?


Good question. IMO go for Red vs Blue (= more or less frigate based battles, lots of activity there) or focus on missions (PVE). Realy, do avoid low-sec + 0-sec(!!): far too much ECM out there & almost all gangs are allied with each other (= reducing any risk-taking to zero for them). Entering low-sec brings a risk of say 85% loosing yr ship right away (& it does not matter what kind of ship you are flying, takes 15 seconds at the most for them to paralyze it with massive ECM & destroy it), since charts mentioning "pilots active in system" do most of the times not show fleets waiting for you at the gates (info seems to be significantly delayed before being shown on the charts). So, better focus on Red vs Blue (= fun + you are allowed to fire some missiles there yourself during battles!). PVE is interesting, since the NPC pirates (if you ask me, those represent the only "real pirates" in the game since those realy do take risks & go in for real fights(!), so, the fights against NPC pirates could bring you real entertainment; AI opponents (software) in EVE is imo real state of the art & AI gets stronger & stronger with the years, due to global scientific improvements. I take it you are a casual player like me, intending to play an hour or so per day, preferably with no liabilities to any others (= no agenda's & no given tasks), thus solo, coming in for some entertainment. So, if you ask me: RvsB or PVE would be the best choice if you want real entertaining & competative fights.

(NB: Only reason I myself do not play RvB is because I like the more complex possibilites of the cruisers the most + secondly, I like my favourite Shopping Mall at Jita IV; if one joins RvB then (for good reasons) you cannot do your own shoppings at Jita any longer; instead there is the hauling, but that takes some days before arriving).
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