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If you criminalize bumping someone, I swear I shall sit on the Jita undock with an alt in a Charon and rack up killmails.

The problem with criminalizing an otherwise innocuous act, nevermind that it's petty and childish, is that because a considerable portion of the time the act is commited, it's accidental without harm intended.

You could, instead, just not be afk. I mean, I suppose it's technically easier to complain on the forums than push the "orbit" button, but even so, I'd go ahead and put in the extra effort while mining, were I you.

As for escorts, L2 escort and double web.

Just as well that it's sarcasm, because siege mode doesn't work that way anyway. You can very definitely still be moved.

The algorithm could be relatively simple. Base it on what navigation command was last issued. If it was to approach an object, or to manually fly via double clicking, treat it as a bump, but only once per navigation command. Orbiting. keep at range, undocking, and aligning actions (or simply flying in a direction you are already pointed) would not be tracked as bumping, thus eliminating most accidental bumps from consideration, while making it relatively difficult to bump repeatedly AND intentionally.

Allow half a dozen bumps or so before CONCORD warns them to knock it off "Reckless Pilot Warning" , then 2-3 more after that before a suspect flag. After the reckless pilot warning is given, if the player has green safeties on, the navigation commands which can produce a suspect command should ask for confirmation of those commands.

It might also be worthwhile to use the same algorithm with different rules for ships knocked out of alignment as they are trying to warp, giving them an "impeding navigation warning", with a chance of getting a criminal flag if they are still on grid when a ship they just bumped is criminally attacked. This would address the problem of "outside assistance" in suicide ganks (The chances of this could be based on hidden factors, such as past use of outside assistance by the ganker, and how close the interfering pilot still is when concord shows up.)

After reading a lot responses here, all I see is the common place in a lot of threads, discuss an issue that is a consequence as if it was a cause. Bump is a normal game mechanics that can serve to a fair purpouse within the game universe, and it is just a way of harassing people because SOMETHING else the game mechanics allow, not the bumping perse.

Bumping can be not only a annoying thing, but a regular strategy we use in our industrial only corporation to help in gate camping counter actions, pirate persuit and emergency warp delaying until interdictors arrive. The problem is not the mechanic of bumping, but the strange thinking behind CCP development team that for honest naiveness or condescending dismissal, impress on texts how EVE players are, and how EVE universe is, when everyone know that a small fraction of people is remotely like the way they say eve players are, and a very few people is or ever will be able to enjoy the game as they say it is.

I sure have nothing to complain about EVE. It is the way I first found it interesting and still is, and it is unique among MMOs. The thing is, it is not due to the reasons the site adverts it is, but it is unique in the sense that no MMO out there has such lack of regard in giving people equal chances to achieve goals.

In WoW a lvl 90 (is there 90 already ?) say, warrior, can one shot a dozen newly created chars, which prevents groups newly created with the sole purpouse of doing that. In EVE, someone like that famous guy can alone create a dozen chars that need a few days only to be able to do lone ganking. But, you usually will find people with 2 or 3 accounts that want to get together to do a ganking fast. You can use 1 week chars to do a lot of things that wont even reflect after you delete them. Damn, 7 people can plex their way into making a whole 1.0 hisec system into a death trap for weeks.

And people still complaining about bumping.

Headline :
80 Man Friendly fleet at war slaughtered by concord after being stupid enough to orbit gate at 2,500 and colliding with each other.

Think your ideas through OP.

The tears from people who get bumped are delicious.

The tears from the exact same people after they were instantly killed upon undocking from a market after implementing their own poorly thought out ideas would be equally delicious though.

It's win win for my tear bucket

Omg this thread again... please CCP do it! For 48 hours only enable suspect flag for bumping. So maybe they'll get the point.

Sure, because it's completely possible to 'bail someone out' when you have 20+ ships throwing a one-shot alpha at a freighter.

We'll ignore your stupid post for today.

Firstly, notice that my point was specifically in regards to the implausible situation of a bumper holding a freighter in place for 45 minutes. If you can't figure out some way to deal with a little bumpy frigate in that amount of time, you deserve what's coming to you. Obviously, if you're alone in space unable to flee and the gank squad is already on top of your defenceless freighter, your losing mistake was made a long time ago... but the story is different if you're caught by an opportunistic bumper who doesn't have a gank squad present, and is trying to call one in to deal with you. Much like with a tackled capital, that IS a window of time in which it IS possible to respond.

Secondly... one-shot alpha? Freighter? Usually not, no. Sure, there IS a number/composition of ships which can pull off the feat, but that tends to be a losing proposition (remember, gankers rely on that window of time between initial aggression and CONCORD's arrival to kill harder targets). At the very least, you could pre-summon CONCORD (read, have your buddy shoot their bumper, hopefully killing him, before dying to CONCORD in turn), which changes the ganking equation pretty unfavorably, since with CONCORD on the field, gankers will more or less instantly die after aggressing. Sure, it's possible that they brought enough DPS to win anyways, but the numbers are worse than even a gank in 1.0; not perfect protection, but if you've been at all sensible with your cargo value, you've just guaranteed a loss to the gankers.

lol what good is calling corp mates to help you in highsec against a bumper who is not criminally flagged and probably in a ship that would take more then the freighters worth to gank effectively? Not to mention the loss of the corps ships for the suicide?

Also a freighter is so big and has so much mass the bumper could miss 5 times and still have another go at bumping you out of alignment before you warped. On average it takes a freighter 3-5 minuets to align and warp. The bumper is not going to be distracted by your corp mates that long, if at all. Unless one of them wants to sacrifice a ship to save you by either scramming and webbing the bumper and even then concord is going to kill him and the bumper is going to continue bumping you before you can warp.

Really man. You should think more before commenting.

Just one of the many reason I do not carry more then 500 mil of stuff in my freighter and even then I only carry minerals, and nothing even remotely useful or worth ganking for. And why my freighter is always insured. Does it take me more time to do stuff? sure. Do gankers leave me alone? Yep because I am not worth the time or effort.