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[Rubicon] Rapid Missile Launchers - v2

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Peter Gersen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1961 - 2013-11-21 17:31:06 UTC
This is so sad.
My "Arbalest" RLML now have a load of 16 (not 18, no, just 16) missiles.
Tried them in PVE, but they are ridiculous.
RIP, Caracal.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1962 - 2013-11-21 17:48:20 UTC
Peter Gersen wrote:
This is so sad.
My "Arbalest" RLML now have a load of 16 (not 18, no, just 16) missiles.
Tried them in PVE, but they are ridiculous.
RIP, Caracal.

CCP Rise wrote:

Let me know what you think and keep in mind that numbers may be adjusted slightly as we continue to test.

Rise, can we get any kind of feedback from you for a change - perhaps it's time for some finer adjustments, don't you think?
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1963 - 2013-11-21 18:34:10 UTC
So many caracal pilot tears.

Maybe people should start experimenting with different fits instead of same lse fits? I found it odd pre rubicon that a t1 cruiser could almost kill my vaga with an anti frigate weapon. Dual lse kitey vaga. So, while it is fun to read all the tears there are a couple valid points. RoF is a bit pointless on rml. Especially since it seems everyone flies them as support, from what I'm reading.

Maybe change RoF bonus to dmg bonus?

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#1964 - 2013-11-21 18:51:28 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:

Maybe people should start experimenting with different fits instead of same lse fits?


So are you suggesting flying an armor caracal, a 0 tank caracal, an mse caracal or what? Because all of those are quite bad.
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
#1965 - 2013-11-21 19:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Sraggles
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
So many caracal pilot tears.

Maybe people should start experimenting with different fits instead of same lse fits? I found it odd pre rubicon that a t1 cruiser could almost kill my vaga with an anti frigate weapon. Dual lse kitey vaga. So, while it is fun to read all the tears there are a couple valid points. RoF is a bit pointless on rml. Especially since it seems everyone flies them as support, from what I'm reading.

Maybe change RoF bonus to dmg bonus?



If you EVER lost your Vaga to a Caracal you would have to be seriously bad. Lemme guess, he engaged you at 60km and you flew all the way to him eating missiles in the face while you ran him down?

Because you and I both know the only way that was a close fight is because you fought him outside of point range/your optimal for awhile. Once you got into brawl range the Caracal got blown the **** up.

Didn't it?
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1966 - 2013-11-21 19:23:14 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:

Maybe people should start experimenting with different fits instead of same lse fits?


So are you suggesting flying an armor caracal, a 0 tank caracal, an mse caracal or what? Because all of those are quite bad.



How about trying something new. There are so many tools out there to help. I am not going to hold your hand.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1967 - 2013-11-21 19:34:55 UTC
It was awhile ago. Thinking maybe inferno expansion. Think start range was about 40-45km. I didn't burn at him, but at an angle. Then just got him to chase me while I pulsed mwd. He capped out and died shortly after. Though I was maybe at 25percent shield when all was said and done. I don't run into caracals often in null anymore, I unsubbed for a few months shortly after that fight since things were stagnant at the time.

Not armor caracal.. don't just jump to the most ******** thing you can think of. Use your brain. If you're mainly fighting frigs, why not lsb w/ cap booster. Resist rigs..etc. I'm not at my comp at the moment, so can't fit anything up to see if its even feasible. But I was able to atleast think of something semi competent other than the "armor caracal".. cap booster/lsb gives bonus of not needing to worry about kiting and running out of cap and potentially surviving reload. Iirc cap booster and lsb are similar in pg/cpu as compared to dual lse. Then add drugs and have fun.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#1968 - 2013-11-21 19:50:24 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:

Maybe people should start experimenting with different fits instead of same lse fits?


So are you suggesting flying an armor caracal, a 0 tank caracal, an mse caracal or what? Because all of those are quite bad.



How about trying something new. There are so many tools out there to help. I am not going to hold your hand.


Yes, because I only flew caracals before, and I still plan on flying them now RollRollRoll
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1969 - 2013-11-21 19:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Niena Nuamzzar
Stitch Kaneland wrote:

Not armor caracal.. don't just jump to the most ******** thing you can think of. Use your brain. If you're mainly fighting frigs, why not lsb w/ cap booster. Resist rigs..etc.

You mean something like this?

Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Ballistic Control System II (x2)

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Light Missile (x5)

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II (x2)

--
18.7k EHP, 500dps omni tank, 152dps using Precision, 197dps with Fury

Not too impressed with damage dealing part, aren't we?

EDIT: oops... 5 launchers, not 6
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#1970 - 2013-11-21 19:58:48 UTC
Reporting asb as a dps tank is sort of misleading anyway
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1971 - 2013-11-21 20:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Niena Nuamzzar
Michael Harari wrote:
Reporting asb as a dps tank is sort of misleading anyway

Buffer fit - if you add web, you lose 6.5k EHP

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II (x3)

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II (x3)

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Light Missile (x5)

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin II (x2)

--
Stats:
30.2k EHP, 169dps Precision missiles (142dps applied to ab fitted Kestrel), 221dps Fury

EDIT: Cerb would be far better with lights ofc, 308dps using Scourge Precision and 412dps using Scourge Fury. With pretty nice tank it can fit web easily, having 100% applied damage to almost everything. Oh, forgot to mention - numbers are with my skills and implants.

EDIT2: And no, I don't think light launchers can be in any way replacement for rapid launchers. You can fight frigates and destroyers with Cerb but almost nothing else and to me it seems a bit expensive and silly to use it only as an anti-frig support. Meant to say, in that case I'd rather fit those new RLML so I can at least pretend am trying to kill something bigger.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1972 - 2013-11-21 21:18:04 UTC
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Reporting asb as a dps tank is sort of misleading anyway

Buffer fit - if you add web, you lose 6.5k EHP

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II (x3)

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II (x3)

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Light Missile (x5)

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin II (x2)

--
Stats:
30.2k EHP, 169dps Precision missiles (142dps applied to ab fitted Kestrel), 221dps Fury

EDIT: Cerb would be far better with lights ofc, 308dps using Scourge Precision and 412dps using Scourge Fury. With pretty nice tank it can fit web easily, having 100% applied damage to almost everything. Oh, forgot to mention - numbers are with my skills and implants.

EDIT2: And no, I don't think light launchers can be in any way replacement for rapid launchers. You can fight frigates and destroyers with Cerb but almost nothing else and to me it seems a bit expensive and silly to use it only as an anti-frig support. Meant to say, in that case I'd rather fit those new RLML so I can at least pretend am trying to kill something bigger.




You need a web or you won't be applying a lot of your damage. Stop trying to over tank and accept that you need more than tank and dps.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1973 - 2013-11-21 21:48:19 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:

You need a web or you won't be applying a lot of your damage. Stop trying to over tank and accept that you need more than tank and dps.

http://tinyurl.com/lygsayn
Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
#1974 - 2013-11-21 22:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Fourteen Maken
I heard Mrs CCP Rise ran off with a Caldari pilot, and he's been nerfing our ships ever since. Next up, the Ibis "cuz a guy said its OP".

If your not already doing Gallente or Minmatar you better start training, because he wont stop until eve is full of ugly green and brown ships.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1975 - 2013-11-21 22:37:25 UTC
At least they finally removed this thread as a sticky, because it's obviously not going anywhere...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1976 - 2013-11-21 22:39:50 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
At least they finally removed this thread as a sticky, because it's obviously not going anywhere...



good.


all is working as intended
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1977 - 2013-11-21 22:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Spugg Galdon wrote:
good. all is working as intended

I have no idea if it's working as intended, but it seems obvious a review isn't in the cards...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
#1978 - 2013-11-21 22:46:31 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
At least they finally removed this thread as a sticky, because it's obviously not going anywhere...



good.


all is working as intended




You might feel differently if most of your skills were tied up in Caldari and Missiles.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1979 - 2013-11-21 22:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Niena Nuamzzar
Fourteen Maken wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
At least they finally removed this thread as a sticky, because it's obviously not going anywhere...

all is working as intended

You might feel differently if most of your skills were tied up in Caldari and Missiles.

I hear Hawk with rockets is not too bad, or Crow with light missiles and long point... or fly together with Hyena and put HAM's to good use...
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1980 - 2013-11-21 23:27:38 UTC
Fourteen Maken wrote:
You might feel differently if most of your skills were tied up in Caldari and Missiles.

Most of my skills are tied up in Caldari and missiles.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.