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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-11-21 17:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I still think you should have undergone vocational profiling...


I did. I elected to ignore it and go into the Watch.

A sense of duty fanned by corporate propaganda. you know how it is. It turned out very well in the end - I doubt I'd be a capsuleer had I become a jeweler or tailor like the profiling suggested.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-11-21 17:47:12 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:

Yeah, let people believe in something that "might" be there, that is most likely not. Following a thing that we don't understand, or have any comprehension off even if it's out there. Religion is just a scheme to hold control over the people, and letting them believe that they are in control, that they are following by themselves because oh lord religion is so great. It bonds people together and let's us work for the same cause. Sad thing is that, if you can't bond, or work for the same cause without religion, you're just a person with no social skills. We can achieve all these so great things without religion.

Every human being have something to believe in. Maybe, gallentean subhumans don't. That would be a distinguishing point between a human and subhuman. But really, I separate gallenteans to subhuman category, because they don't follow third principle of sentient life. As for you personally, I really doubt you even follow first two.

Religion is what you have in your heart, not just a scheme. It is a whole worldview and understanding of all things, that surround you. Religion is a set of rules, moral norms and customs, that makes you act as a human, but not animal.

And, talking about working together without religion, it is what Caldari can do, and you, gallenteans, can't. Every Caldari child understands, that if you will work not for yourself, but for your corporation, because you are part of the corporation and it is your home. The corporation will develop, and if corporation will develop, you will develop as well, because you are part of the corporation. Gallenteans in mass are individualists and will seek their own benefit instead of corporation.

And this is why the Federation will lose, and we will win.

Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
You are ignorant as any other person who supports or likes the idea of religion. Drop it, or engulf in your own stupidity.

I could have told you about what I believe in, but, I am afraid, your tiny underdeveloped gallentean brain is uncapable of understanding neither my beliefs, nor our religion, nor amarr religion and nor science, of course.

Your level of communication is neither military, nor scientific, and nor religious, but rather level of a uneducated janitor, rambling about things he can't understand.
Just think, that types like you are allowed to vote and make decisions in the Federation...

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-11-21 18:04:02 UTC
Yeah, you really don't have the look of a tailor, Verin.

Although maybe you could just glare disapprovingly at the fabric until it assembled itself into clothes...

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-11-21 18:10:48 UTC
If my Vocational Aptitude Monitoring was to be believed, I would have excelled at it.

Besides, tailoring doesn't necessarily mean you're making bespoke business suits for the executive class. It could equally have landed me a position designing BDUs, HazEnv softsuits, work uniforms or high-tech industrial fabrics. Similarly, "jeweler" in the parlance of Ishukone education programs includes a series of career tracks that could have seen me grading, cutting and assembling the focusing crystals for fusion generators, or assembling solid-state nanoelectronics wafers.

Military and Medical were second and third on my aptitudes list respectively, and I decided to go with those instead. It worked out.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#85 - 2013-11-21 18:21:11 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yeah, you really don't have the look of a tailor, Verin.

Although maybe you could just glare disapprovingly at the fabric until it assembled itself into clothes...


He probably would have been an excellent one. Vocational profiling is a pretty well-understood science these days and they're usually pretty much on the nose. Mind you, taking your third choice is hardly a rebellious thing to do - there is SOME wiggle room for personal choice in the process.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-11-21 18:33:05 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Taking your third choice is hardly a rebellious thing to do - there is SOME wiggle room for personal choice in the process.


I would even argue that a working meritocracy demands some initiative. Otherwise we're just human components in a machine, not agents in a functioning society.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Dangirdas Bachir
The Exiled Titans
#87 - 2013-11-21 18:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dangirdas Bachir
Diana Kim wrote:
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:

Yeah, let people believe in something that "might" be there, that is most likely not. Following a thing that we don't understand, or have any comprehension off even if it's out there. Religion is just a scheme to hold control over the people, and letting them believe that they are in control, that they are following by themselves because oh lord religion is so great. It bonds people together and let's us work for the same cause. Sad thing is that, if you can't bond, or work for the same cause without religion, you're just a person with no social skills. We can achieve all these so great things without religion.

Every human being have something to believe in. Maybe, gallentean subhumans don't. That would be a distinguishing point between a human and subhuman. But really, I separate gallenteans to subhuman category, because they don't follow third principle of sentient life. As for you personally, I really doubt you even follow first two.

Religion is what you have in your heart, not just a scheme. It is a whole worldview and understanding of all things, that surround you. Religion is a set of rules, moral norms and customs, that makes you act as a human, but not animal.

And, talking about working together without religion, it is what Caldari can do, and you, gallenteans, can't. Every Caldari child understands, that if you will work not for yourself, but for your corporation, because you are part of the corporation and it is your home. The corporation will develop, and if corporation will develop, you will develop as well, because you are part of the corporation. Gallenteans in mass are individualists and will seek their own benefit instead of corporation.

And this is why the Federation will lose, and we will win.

Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
You are ignorant as any other person who supports or likes the idea of religion. Drop it, or engulf in your own stupidity.

I could have told you about what I believe in, but, I am afraid, your tiny underdeveloped gallentean brain is uncapable of understanding neither my beliefs, nor our religion, nor amarr religion and nor science, of course.

Your level of communication is neither military, nor scientific, and nor religious, but rather level of a uneducated janitor, rambling about things he can't understand.
Just think, that types like you are allowed to vote and make decisions in the Federation...

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

You're generalizing all Gallentene citizens just because of me, what a ****** way to think. Also, your problem is that you think you understand everything around you, but you don't, you follow the wrong guidance which is religion. You're just another fundamentalist who won't reason because of what your "heart" tells you.

You're also implying that if you don't follow a religion you're suddenly just a subhuman. How can you even say that? Just because we are free and have democracy, we suddenly can't work together for the same cause? We work for justice, freedom and liberty. We are not some wild savages who just do things for ourselves. We want the better option for humankind, but people like you always ruin this by spreading your moronic beliefs. "This is true my heart tells me i'm right, so you're wrong! If you don't comply we will shoot you and enslave you. *smiles*" Don't act like you are superior, you're just some greedy ******* fascist who looks down upon others. This is about common sense, something you clearly don't have.

EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#88 - 2013-11-21 18:50:07 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Taking your third choice is hardly a rebellious thing to do - there is SOME wiggle room for personal choice in the process.


I would even argue that a working meritocracy demands some initiative. Otherwise we're just human components in a machine, not agents in a functioning society.


I certainly wouldn't argue with that assertion.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-11-21 19:39:01 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:

You're generalizing all Gallentene citizens just because of me, what a ****** way to think.

Ignorant gallentean, you are still making assumptions without having a data?
This is typical gallente behaviour, because I have seen a lot of gallentean filth before. And, I am afraid, you are not the last of them either.

Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
Also, your problem is that you think you understand everything around you, but you don't, you follow the wrong guidance which is religion. You're just another fundamentalist who won't reason because of what your "heart" tells you.

Don't tell me what is my problem, you ignorant gallentean freak. You speak a lot about matters, that you have no a slightest idea about. Who the heck told you, that I think that I understand everything around me? Your sick fevered imagination?

I pray to Winds to guide me to people, who are seeking the truth, and to keep me away from those, who have found it.
And yes, that would mean, I would prefer to shoot you on sight instead of staying in the same room with you.

Dangirdas Bachir wrote:

You're also implying that if you don't follow a religion you're suddenly just a subhuman. How can you even say that? Just because we are free and have democracy, we suddenly can't work together for the same cause? We work for justice, freedom and liberty. We are not some wild savages who just do things for ourselves.

But you are.
Freedom and liberty are synonyms for chaos and destruction. Freedom and liberty is what we gave up, when we evolved from animals to humans. You can't work for justice at the same time as working for freedom and liberty, because freedom and liberty makes criminality. But, heck, federal justice system is already the most defunctioning and filthy one anyway. Federal "justice" is a farce, not a justice.

Those, who follow both freedom/liberty and democracy, are NOT humans. Just humanoids, grey brainless savage masses.

Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
We want the better option for humankind

Then cancel your clone contracts and kill yourself.

Dangirdas Bachir wrote:

Don't act like you are superior, you're just some greedy ******* fascist who looks down upon others. This is about common sense, something you clearly don't have.

But we ARE superior.
We have superior technology.
We have superior army.
We have superior management.
We have superior ideals.
We have superior morals.
We have superior education.
We have superior military training programs.
We have superior government.
We have superior recruiting.
We have superior jobs.
We have superior culture.
We have superior science.
We have superior DNA.
And we have superior citizens.
Now, why shouldn't I act like we are superior?...

And what the heck is "fascist"?...

And talk about "common sense" is, unfortunately, an obvious indication that you are unable to reason, as you resolve to your hallucinations, that you name as "common sense". It is "common" only for gallenteans, who lack logic and are unable to think.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Dangirdas Bachir
The Exiled Titans
#90 - 2013-11-21 20:11:28 UTC
No, please cancel your clone contract, and kill yourself, you're the subhuman here. If you claim that freedom and liberty are just synonyms for destruction and chaos you're no human. You're just another lunatic fundamentalist imperial greedy fascist scum who thinks she is right just because she is witty with words. You should be removed from this universe at once. Also i like how you state that i'm illiterate when you don't know what a fascist is.

Funny how you mention that you are so superior, yet you haven't won the war yet.

EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#91 - 2013-11-21 20:20:49 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
No, please cancel your clone contract, and kill yourself, you're the subhuman here. If you claim that freedom and liberty are just synonyms for destruction and chaos you're no human. You're just another lunatic fundamentalist imperial greedy fascist scum who thinks she is right just because she is witty with words. You should be removed from this universe at once. Also i like how you state that i'm illiterate when you don't know what a fascist is.

Funny how you mention that you are so superior, yet you haven't won the war yet.



It's pretty futile trying to argue with Diana and her mobile circus of crazy, just so you save yourself some ulcers down the road.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-11-21 20:22:21 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
Funny how you mention that you are so superior, yet you haven't won the war yet.

Fun fact: the CEWPA war cannot be won, apparently by design. Anyone who believes that "conquering" systems which can very easily be flipped right back actually wins a war is delusional. The Federation didn't collapse last time it lost its systems - what makes people believe it'll happen this time? Or the next, or the next ten, or the next fifty?

Also, any Caldari who thinks that their tenuous grasp on Gallente space won't collapse when TEST either encounters its final failcascade - exactly as happened to Ev0ke when it made the same mistake of assuming that factional warfare would help it recover rather than hasten its demise - or gets bored of factional warfare (it will be one or the other and it will happen sooner rather than later) is equally deluded. Most Caldari pilots are, however, at least sane enough to realise it's a pendulum. And frankly, all the nullsec alliances in the world still haven't given the State Protectorate what the State Protectorate actually want - Nennamaila or Nisuwa, the staging systems in Caldari space which allow the FDU to launch and resupply roams into State space. They've been held so consistently by the FDU since the rebound nearly four years ago that they're practically Federal systems in everything but name.

Don't worry, Bachir - the vast majority of State pilots are very much aware the State has no hope of destroying the Federation. That isn't the goal of any sane State pilot.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Dangirdas Bachir
The Exiled Titans
#93 - 2013-11-21 20:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dangirdas Bachir
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
Funny how you mention that you are so superior, yet you haven't won the war yet.

Fun fact: the CEWPA war cannot be won, apparently by design. Anyone who believes that "conquering" systems which can very easily be flipped right back actually wins a war is delusional. The Federation didn't collapse last time it lost its systems - what makes people believe it'll happen this time? Or the next, or the next ten, or the next fifty?

Also, any Caldari who thinks that their tenuous grasp on Gallente space won't collapse when TEST either encounters its final failcascade - exactly as happened to Ev0ke when it made the same mistake of assuming that factional warfare would help it recover rather than hasten its demise - or gets bored of factional warfare (it will be one or the other and it will happen sooner rather than later) is equally deluded. Most Caldari pilots are, however, at least sane enough to realise it's a pendulum. And frankly, all the nullsec alliances in the world still haven't given the State Protectorate what the State Protectorate actually want - Nennamaila or Nisuwa, the staging systems in Caldari space which allow the FDU to launch and resupply roams into State space. They've been held so consistently by the FDU since the rebound nearly four years ago that they're practically Federal systems in everything but name.

Don't worry, Bachir - the vast majority of State pilots are very much aware the State has no hope of destroying the Federation. That isn't the goal of any sane State pilot.

Interesting "fun" fact. Let's just hope that no more pilots like this Diana get bread.

EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#94 - 2013-11-21 22:19:08 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Taking your third choice is hardly a rebellious thing to do - there is SOME wiggle room for personal choice in the process.


I would even argue that a working meritocracy demands some initiative. Otherwise we're just human components in a machine, not agents in a functioning society.


I certainly wouldn't argue with that assertion.

Seconded.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#95 - 2013-11-21 22:52:58 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
Funny how you mention that you are so superior, yet you haven't won the war yet.

Fun fact: the CEWPA war cannot be won, apparently by design. Anyone who believes that "conquering" systems which can very easily be flipped right back actually wins a war is delusional. The Federation didn't collapse last time it lost its systems - what makes people believe it'll happen this time? Or the next, or the next ten, or the next fifty?

Also, any Caldari who thinks that their tenuous grasp on Gallente space won't collapse when TEST either encounters its final failcascade - exactly as happened to Ev0ke when it made the same mistake of assuming that factional warfare would help it recover rather than hasten its demise - or gets bored of factional warfare (it will be one or the other and it will happen sooner rather than later) is equally deluded. Most Caldari pilots are, however, at least sane enough to realise it's a pendulum. And frankly, all the nullsec alliances in the world still haven't given the State Protectorate what the State Protectorate actually want - Nennamaila or Nisuwa, the staging systems in Caldari space which allow the FDU to launch and resupply roams into State space. They've been held so consistently by the FDU since the rebound nearly four years ago that they're practically Federal systems in everything but name.

Don't worry, Bachir - the vast majority of State pilots are very much aware the State has no hope of destroying the Federation. That isn't the goal of any sane State pilot.

Interesting "fun" fact. Let's just hope that no more pilots like this Diana get bread.


On the other hand, as long as the most violent and virulent are at each others' throats in the CEWPA zone, the rest of the cluster is relatively safe.

Let's hope more pilots don't decide to go beyond the CEWPA-agreed warfare. If the Federation and State suddenly descended into all-out warfare with the expressed goal of fighting until one or the other is annihilated, there wouldn't be a Federation or a State. External forces would feast on whatever crippled nation survived, after the deaths of billions, if not trillions of people.

CEWPA might not exactly be something we as a species should be proud of, but there are far worse alternatives.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#96 - 2013-11-21 22:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
To be honest, if the CEWPA war ended the Federation would likely only have to suffer me 'descending' on their restaurants and tailors.

Although, frankly, having to tailor a suit for a Civire my size might well appall a Galentean tailor.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#97 - 2013-11-21 23:22:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To be honest, if the CEWPA war ended the Federation would likely only have to suffer me 'descending' on their restaurants and tailors.

Although, frankly, having to tailor a suit for a Civire my size might well appall a Galentean tailor.


That might be true, but you're a rational, reasonable individual who is only doing what duty calls on him to do.

Sometimes, I wonder what some of our capsuleer peers would do if there was no pinata to swat.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#98 - 2013-11-21 23:28:26 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To be honest, if the CEWPA war ended the Federation would likely only have to suffer me 'descending' on their restaurants and tailors.

Although, frankly, having to tailor a suit for a Civire my size might well appall a Galentean tailor.


That might be true, but you're a rational, reasonable individual who is only doing what duty calls on him to do.

Sometimes, I wonder what some of our capsuleer peers would do if there was no pinata to swat.


Father, Concord have seen to it that there is always a pinata to swat - whether it be running missions for the various corporations in Empire space, taking part in the Faction War or carving out a living in null space.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-11-21 23:30:17 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Although, frankly, having to tailor a suit for a Civire my size might well appall a Galentean tailor.

Are you kidding? The average height of a Brutor male is more than ten centimetres more than the average Civire male, and their average muscle mass and bone density is also significantly higher. If a Gallentean tailor can make a Brutor a suit, he'll fit you in, no problem.

... do you need a Gallentean-tailored suit? Because if you do, I can recommend a few people. Given that Agoze is currently under STPRO control you'll even be able to visit one of them in person.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#100 - 2013-11-22 00:22:04 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To be honest, if the CEWPA war ended the Federation would likely only have to suffer me 'descending' on their restaurants and tailors.

Although, frankly, having to tailor a suit for a Civire my size might well appall a Galentean tailor.


That might be true, but you're a rational, reasonable individual who is only doing what duty calls on him to do.

Sometimes, I wonder what some of our capsuleer peers would do if there was no pinata to swat.


Father, Concord have seen to it that there is always a pinata to swat - whether it be running missions for the various corporations in Empire space, taking part in the Faction War or carving out a living in null space.


I suppose it's best to not dwell on what would happen if we found the capsuleer community bereft of targets.

In the meantime, my sympathies on your tailoring situation. One of the best parts of my job is being able to get to a Gallentean tailor for a silk suit. Given the more rarefied areas of my lineage, Amarrian tailors weren't necessarily used to preparing shirts and coats for my shoulder breadth. I grew up thinking that a suit was meant to be restricting about the chest.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26