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Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-11-21 19:15:46 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
OP character is aptly named, 'lazy' indeed.


yes yes i am. but my point still stands.

its FW faction warfare not faction sitinplexgetingLPwithzeroriskfare

i gt plenty of kills so pff but its the lamest thing in this game
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#42 - 2013-11-21 19:18:56 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:


its FW faction warfare not....


...not faction "please nerf this item because Im too stupid to think around the problem"

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2013-11-21 19:19:14 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
But... you can fit so much more armour than shield.....

And so many more points.....

Im not disagreeing, but when it comes to staying alive, I prefer "because I have more tank" than "just because lol"

Meh. It only looks like about 5% more (but that's before sig bloom) and a lot of compromises as far as positioning goes.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#44 - 2013-11-21 19:23:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
But... you can fit so much more armour than shield.....

And so many more points.....

Im not disagreeing, but when it comes to staying alive, I prefer "because I have more tank" than "just because lol"

Meh. It only looks like about 5% more (but that's before sig bloom) and a lot of compromises as far as positioning goes.


Ok well Im not sure how thats worked out, and I have no idea what positioning is, I just figure more slots = better

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#45 - 2013-11-21 19:36:33 UTC


Also, STABZ + BRATZ = http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9-2qgPqSft8/TpbiUl6ev_I/AAAAAAAABJE/FHONPWLTRUQ/s640/_DSC6906.jpg

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#46 - 2013-11-21 19:39:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
But... you can fit so much more armour than shield.....

And so many more points.....

Im not disagreeing, but when it comes to staying alive, I prefer "because I have more tank" than "just because lol"

Meh. It only looks like about 5% more (but that's before sig bloom) and a lot of compromises as far as positioning goes.


Ok well Im not sure how thats worked out, and I have no idea what positioning is, I just figure more slots = better


By positioning she means a 425AC shield cane flown properly will run circles around a 220AC armor cane and kill it from 20km with superior firepower while taking a lot less damage.

But that's just comparing directly. Every battle has its own set of circumstances.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#47 - 2013-11-21 19:41:28 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


But that's just comparing directly. Every battle has its own set of circumstances.



But thats down to gun calibre though surely rather than a deficency in the tank?

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#48 - 2013-11-21 19:43:18 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

nuff said

discuss



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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#49 - 2013-11-21 19:54:53 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


But that's just comparing directly. Every battle has its own set of circumstances.



But thats down to gun calibre though surely rather than a deficency in the tank?


Not picking armor lets you fit the larger guns, and lets you use tracking enhnacers, and lets you choose nanofibers for more maneuverability.

It's not so much a deficiency as it is a trade-off. Armor tanked would be harder to kill and have more tackle and ewar options like web(s), ECCM, tracking disruptors or whatever.

If two canes had to warp in at 0 and duke it out, I'd put money on a good armor cane fit. Allowing them to engage from anything over 15km starting distance and I'd lean towards the shield cane.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#50 - 2013-11-21 19:57:37 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


But that's just comparing directly. Every battle has its own set of circumstances.



But thats down to gun calibre though surely rather than a deficency in the tank?


Not picking armor lets you fit the larger guns, and lets you use tracking enhnacers, and lets you choose nanofibers for more maneuverability.

It's not so much a deficiency as it is a trade-off. Armor tanked would be harder to kill and have more tackle and ewar options like web(s), ECCM, tracking disruptors or whatever.

If two canes had to warp in at 0 and duke it out, I'd put money on a good armor cane fit. Allowing them to engage from anything over 15km starting distance and I'd lean towards the shield cane.


That sounds fair. And agreeable.

But I bet theres a way to max the guns on a Armour Cane lol

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#51 - 2013-11-21 20:04:00 UTC
Actually, its not really that hard to either as it turns out


Cool time for a redesign

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#52 - 2013-11-21 20:12:42 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Actually, its not really that hard to either as it turns out


Cool time for a redesign

That's the only (very minor) complaint I have with all the re balancing. I've had to rethink every set up I had saved.

All in all, that's kind of a good problem though. Smile

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#53 - 2013-11-21 21:18:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
But I might be showing a gap in my knowledge here, but why would you shield tank a Cane?

Its armour tank is superlative even with two Gyros

I'll admit that I haven't played with it since the BC updates so the meta around its fitting may have changed, but…

…for the same reason as always: because you can. Gyros, TEs and a suitcase in the lows, propulsion, point and shield in the mids, which saves you both speed an a bunch of PG that you could use for more fun things.


But... you can fit so much more armour than shield.....

And so many more points.....

Im not disagreeing, but when it comes to staying alive, I prefer "because I have more tank" than "just because lol"


Shield Canes were the go-to roaming BC for a long, long time. Even though its use in that role has been pretty well trounced by the Talos (Heelooo, Null kiting), I still think "Shield BC" when I hear "Cane."

More Damage, More Speed, Longer Range, why would you ever plate the pre-nerf Cane? Since the nerf, I'm not sure I've even flown one, so I don't know the new meta.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#54 - 2013-11-21 21:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
RubyPorto wrote:


Shield Canes were the go-to roaming BC for a long, long time. Even though its use in that role has been pretty well trounced by the Talos (Heelooo, Null kiting), I still think "Shield BC" when I hear "Cane."

More Damage, More Speed, Longer Range, why would you ever plate the pre-nerf Cane? Since the nerf, I'm not sure I've even flown one, so I don't know the new meta.


Same damage, same range, more (sub-light) speed (though this can be fixed too)

Why would you shield in three slots what you can armour in 4? And not have any tackle at all?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-11-21 21:39:23 UTC
Put on a faction scram :D

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#56 - 2013-11-21 21:39:38 UTC
no.

lol@ pirate tears
Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#57 - 2013-11-21 21:42:37 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
FW would be better without them.

solo pvp would be better with out them.

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships

Just because someone plays the game a way you don't like? Maybe those players stabbed their ships because they wanted to. Yes, stabs are annoying when trying to find a fight but its not like every FWer stabs. Just find someone else.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2013-11-21 22:02:36 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

nuff said

discuss


douche

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-11-21 22:20:48 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
FW would be better without them.

solo pvp would be better with out them.

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships


instalocking thrasher gangs are always fun to counter the warp core stabs.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-11-21 22:23:16 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
FW would be better without them.

solo pvp would be better with out them.

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships



May I suggest dual scrams?

Oh right this is pvp, having dual scrams puts you at a disadvantage, I guess that's part of the rock paper scissors balancing.

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