Ships & Modules

I think your disenchantment with the Vargur is tied to trying to make Artillery an optimal choice for PVE.

If you only look at it from an Artillery angle, then no: it isn't as good as the other Marauders.

Slap ACs and a MWD on it, and now it's one of the best. The bonuses are incredibly good when used for that, whereas changing tracking to an ROF bonus would just increase your ammo costs.

(Note that in the chance-to-hit formula, boosting tracking or falloff by the same percentage has near-equivalent effects on applying damage in most situations. The tracking bonus is a huge help.)

To put it short: you're staring at an insanely good monkey wrench and asking why it isn't that great at hammering in nails.

I couldn't disagree more. I shaved 10-15 minutes off my Dread Pirate Scarlet completion time by using MWD and Bastion compared to the week prior. That's a huge increase in effectiveness.

Now... could I have used the same MWD tactic prior to Rubicon? I guess. I thought of it for the Mach, but not the Varg before Tuesday.

But Bastion makes it easier, and frees up mid slots for more Tracking Computers by needing fewer tank modules. Not to mention that being E-war proof is a huge benefit in certain missions. (DPS in particular, if you get Pith Eliminator spawns.)

I dunno. I just cannot sympathize with disappointment over the changes.

The reason why a lot of people are happy with the changes is that they changed their setups and their tactics too. I already had MWD, 2x TC, 1x TE, 4x gyro, Burst Aerator II fitted, and I hardly ever had issues with my tank or cap. There is not much to improve on this. Drop an invulnerability field for an MJD? That is practically nothing. I would rather have the speed back. Or just switch to a Paladin after the Mach gets nerfed. 30+20km with conflag is nice when you have an MJD fitted.

And did you learn to use the Vargur like it should be used?

Clearly not.

What you are saying is that it's the Megathron's fault that it can't hit the targets with Blasters when you decided to warp in at 60 km to your targets instead of 0 km. Yeah omg, it's the ships fault that the Megathron does 0 dps at that range with Blasters.

Many others here have given you the hard facts about how things works with the Vargur. And you just ignores it and thinks it's all fine to MJD 100 km away from the npcs with Autocannons and expect the Vargur to do high DPS.

If you want to hit the npc's with more higher DPS at 80-100 km, then fit Artilleries.

So make it 3 TCs and swap the TE for an Overdrive. On an AB, it's all of 4m/s slower than the pre-Rubicon Vargur. On an MWD it's actually marginally faster.

Wow - like the name calling dont you. To present a rational argument you must be civil - or are you hiding behind the truth.

You want a 588 dps battleship for 1b. You want it to be slow and overtanked. You cant manage drone aggro. Selectable damage types? Give me the kinetic one and watch that DPS drop. Oh yeah - your a clueless prick , and aplogies to everyone else for the downgrade.

The ishtar is a good example of where BS in general are broken. It can field effective frigate defense and BS defense and everything in between.

If you can show me a perfect mission where you can MJD everywhere to 50 and you are happy with 588 dps, where all the rats happily spawn at that magnificent range then sit still for you. You spend more time killing them and twiddling. Go on admit it. You like to still in missions and do nothing, you used to afk with a domi before drone aggro, you used to field an expensive tank on everything as gank never came into it. You flew a raven. PVP is just scary to you? What a wanker.

Again, not reading.

Ran some missions in the vargur yesterday and its absolutely amazing now, especially with the mobile tractor unit to help out.

I havent changed my rigs yet but I used to run 2 t2 ambits on it. atm it means I am hard capped at 72km falloff on my high damage ammo running 2 tracking comps with optimal scripts and bastion and 70km with 1. so I generally run one comp with tracking. I perma run a cheap pith ctype medium booster in case my connection ever drops with a single invul for tank. I usually have a mjd (quite usefull in a numbet of missions) and fit a mwd or ab with a overdrive in the low for other missions meaning I go FASTER than a pre rubicon vargur. thats right you bunch of sad sad little whiners, faster.

so yea atm there is not a singele valid reason to hate the vargur. it is better in every single way.

also it can solo c5 sites with t2 gear

Lawl, maybe I didn't read this correctly. Concerning missions, are you saying:
Your original fit that made x modules / rigs worthless due to stacking penalties and is better when you replace the worthless stuff with something else; therefore, Rubicon vargur is better?

not quite sure what you are saying here.

what I am saying however is that with bastion as a huge buff to tank and the increased pg and slots because of bastion I can now fit a wider veriety of modules that make the vargur superior to what it was in every single way.