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(Requesting thread closure) Already a Scammer for Plex for Good

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Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#21 - 2013-11-20 21:20:42 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
this is why i donated money straight to red cross


yes, because the red cross is such a trustworthy organization...
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#22 - 2013-11-20 21:27:42 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
DEVIL'S ADVOCATE !!

Just because somebody has this name,
doesn't necessarily mean he'll scam !

He could as well have good intentions and just use the name to advertise it !

True, that's possible. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

If proven guilty though, the player should be keel-hauled. (That's where they put a rope on you, drag you underwater across the rough barnacles stuck on the hull of the ship, then back up on deck. It's a traditional and probably pretty effective behavior modification technique.)
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-11-20 22:57:18 UTC
Ursula Thrace wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
this is why i donated money straight to red cross


yes, because the red cross is such a trustworthy organization...


I work near the British red cross HQ and once a month all the directors come and have a meeting. The car park is full of jaguars, mercs, bmw's and Porsche's. You'd never have thought charity to be such a profitable business.
RAW23
#24 - 2013-11-20 23:11:12 UTC
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:
Ursula Thrace wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
this is why i donated money straight to red cross


yes, because the red cross is such a trustworthy organization...


I work near the British red cross HQ and once a month all the directors come and have a meeting. The car park is full of jaguars, mercs, bmw's and Porsche's. You'd never have thought charity to be such a profitable business.


I didn't realise that people who work for charities are obliged to be paid less than the market rate for their skills. You live and learn.

Or perhaps you are mixing things up and confusing the fact that charities raise and administer charitable donations with the idea that people working for these organisations should also provide their own services as a charitable donation.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-11-20 23:57:10 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Scammers gonna scam.






In this case, scammers gonna get all their accounts permabanned Big smile

Scamming in eve is one thing. Scamming a real life charity out of real money donations that are just being processed via the game is another thing entirely, both morally and according to CCP's rules.



Scamming is scamming. Sociopaths sleep well because they simply put into their minds that they are playing a game and forget that at the other side are people with emotions that make online games possible.


But i got through the part of being shocked about this. It's not something exlusive from EVE, that's for sure.
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-11-21 00:00:49 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:
Ursula Thrace wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
this is why i donated money straight to red cross


yes, because the red cross is such a trustworthy organization...


I work near the British red cross HQ and once a month all the directors come and have a meeting. The car park is full of jaguars, mercs, bmw's and Porsche's. You'd never have thought charity to be such a profitable business.


I didn't realise that people who work for charities are obliged to be paid less than the market rate for their skills. You live and learn.

Or perhaps you are mixing things up and confusing the fact that charities raise and administer charitable donations with the idea that people working for these organisations should also provide their own services as a charitable donation.


Woah don't get your knickers in a twist son.

All I'm saying is I didn't think there was that much profit to be made in charity. Is it morally right that the top dogs get paid so much? I don't care, I'd do the same in their position no doubt.
Niclas Solo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-11-21 13:30:24 UTC
If i buy a plex that is now on sale for only €17 and donate that, then CCP donate $15 to redcross.
30% of my donation is missing... almost $8.
And then when redcross finally get the money they take $10 to stuff their own pockets. Bosses with miljon dollar salery gets payed before anyone that really need help...
Of the $22 i payed for plex, maybe $2 go to the people that need the help.

So who is scamming who here?
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-11-21 13:52:24 UTC
Niclas Solo wrote:
If i buy a plex that is now on sale for only €17 and donate that, then CCP donate $15 to redcross.
30% of my donation is missing... almost $8.
And then when redcross finally get the money they take $10 to stuff their own pockets. Bosses with miljon dollar salery gets payed before anyone that really need help...
Of the $22 i payed for plex, maybe $2 go to the people that need the help.

So who is scamming who here?


$2 is really positif , i think its less , but good point.

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back

Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-11-21 13:55:57 UTC
Richard Ramlrez wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Scammers gonna scam.






In this case, scammers gonna get all their accounts permabanned Big smile

Scamming in eve is one thing. Scamming a real life charity out of real money donations that are just being processed via the game is another thing entirely, both morally and according to CCP's rules.



Scamming is scamming. Sociopaths sleep well because they simply put into their minds that they are playing a game and forget that at the other side are people with emotions that make online games possible.


But i got through the part of being shocked about this. It's not something exlusive from EVE, that's for sure.


srry but getting mad about pixels ist just silly even if you "worked " for hours for it.

Im not a scammer , well sometimes a little but calling ppl right away sociopaths is just plain dumb , the only sociopaths in my humble opinion is the one calling ppl sociopaths

god im bad at english

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#30 - 2013-11-21 14:02:46 UTC
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:
You'd never have thought charity to be such a profitable business.


The same issues are present in just about every house of worship in the history of man.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#31 - 2013-11-21 14:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
Ursula Thrace wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
this is why i donated money straight to red cross


yes, because the red cross is such a trustworthy organization...


Snopes would like a chat:

Snopes

As would Charity Navigator
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-11-21 14:29:25 UTC
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:
Ursula Thrace wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
this is why i donated money straight to red cross


yes, because the red cross is such a trustworthy organization...


I work near the British red cross HQ and once a month all the directors come and have a meeting. The car park is full of jaguars, mercs, bmw's and Porsche's. You'd never have thought charity to be such a profitable business.


I didn't realise that people who work for charities are obliged to be paid less than the market rate for their skills. You live and learn.

Or perhaps you are mixing things up and confusing the fact that charities raise and administer charitable donations with the idea that people working for these organisations should also provide their own services as a charitable donation.


Woah don't get your knickers in a twist son.

All I'm saying is I didn't think there was that much profit to be made in charity. Is it morally right that the top dogs get paid so much? I don't care, I'd do the same in their position no doubt.


There is a big difference between profit and runnign cost. You are mixing the high exec pay check with profit. Those are not teh same. For the red cross to amke a profit like your stupid post says, there would have to be money left on the table after everybody working for the red cross got paid AND the expenditure for food and other stuff were paid for.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#33 - 2013-11-21 14:49:47 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
CCP: "Scamming is legal, unless you are going to scam us. In that case, you get banned."


I'm pretty sure I've seen a few threads advocating a similar idea. Too bad that CCP is the only one who can actually pull this off.

I just wanted to add:
While scamming is legal, trying to make yourself look like anyone to "accidentally" receive payments is and has always been against the rules.
If someone stood in Jita yelling "give plex to me and ill donate money to charity" then didn't, they can do that with no repercussions, however if they try to pass themselves off as another player or corp, they will get punished.
Even worse than that, passing yourself off as plex for good is as bad as passing yourself off as a GM or a dev, so you can imagine the force the banhammer will swing with.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#34 - 2013-11-21 14:53:33 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
There is a big difference between profit and runnign cost. You are mixing the high exec pay check with profit. Those are not teh same. For the red cross to amke a profit like your stupid post says, there would have to be money left on the table after everybody working for the red cross got paid AND the expenditure for food and other stuff were paid for.
Yeah sure, but let's face it, a lot of charities spend a considerable amount of donation funding on "admin", leaving the guys at the top happily rolling around in cash. Since that's donations, and people expect their donations to go to the cause, not to the collectors of the fund, it's reasonable to expect a charity runner to not end up with a huge paycheck.

Then add on to that that the lower end staff are often volunteers...

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-11-21 15:12:50 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
There is a big difference between profit and runnign cost. You are mixing the high exec pay check with profit. Those are not teh same. For the red cross to amke a profit like your stupid post says, there would have to be money left on the table after everybody working for the red cross got paid AND the expenditure for food and other stuff were paid for.
Yeah sure, but let's face it, a lot of charities spend a considerable amount of donation funding on "admin", leaving the guys at the top happily rolling around in cash. Since that's donations, and people expect their donations to go to the cause, not to the collectors of the fund, it's reasonable to expect a charity runner to not end up with a huge paycheck.

Then add on to that that the lower end staff are often volunteers...


I know but the problem is that no one would take these upper level mgmt jobs without the pay or they would potentially not get results. They are probably overpaid still tho of course...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#36 - 2013-11-21 16:14:09 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
There is a big difference between profit and runnign cost. You are mixing the high exec pay check with profit. Those are not teh same. For the red cross to amke a profit like your stupid post says, there would have to be money left on the table after everybody working for the red cross got paid AND the expenditure for food and other stuff were paid for.
Yeah sure, but let's face it, a lot of charities spend a considerable amount of donation funding on "admin", leaving the guys at the top happily rolling around in cash. Since that's donations, and people expect their donations to go to the cause, not to the collectors of the fund, it's reasonable to expect a charity runner to not end up with a huge paycheck.

Then add on to that that the lower end staff are often volunteers...


I know but the problem is that no one would take these upper level mgmt jobs without the pay or they would potentially not get results. They are probably overpaid still tho of course...

Well I suppose some people might not, but surely the person at the top of a charity, above all else, should be charitable. If everyone below them is willing to work for free, and our income comes from people giving up their time, resources and money, then the very least they could do is live in modest comfort.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-11-21 16:27:56 UTC
Quote:
Sociopaths sleep well because they simply put into their minds that they are playing a game and forget that at the other side are people with emotions that make online games possible.

No.
To have the need of rationalising their behaviour means that they would care.

They don't.

Sociopaths usually know pretty well about the feelings of the other people, they just don't give a ****.
That means also that they have no need to justify their actions to themselves.
No cognitive dissonance involved at all.

I'd suggest that you stop making stupid assumptions about other peoples minds
and instead concentrate on your own first.

RAW23
#38 - 2013-11-21 16:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Lucas Kell wrote:

Well I suppose some people might not, but surely the person at the top of a charity, above all else, should be charitable. If everyone below them is willing to work for free, and our income comes from people giving up their time, resources and money, then the very least they could do is live in modest comfort.


I accept that it might seem rather unpalatable but it does actually make sense. The people at the very top of charities aren't the managers but the trustees and they do tend to give their time for free. They then have to make decisions about who to hire and how much pay to offer in order to best achieve their goals and they may very well think that paying a high salary to get the guys they want will have bigger knock on benefits in terms of the charity achieving their stated goals than would paying less and selecting either from the pool of people who are less able or from the much smaller pool of very talented people who are willing to accept much less than the market value for their skills (perhaps vanishingly small given the actual choices that charities do in fact make). The manager of a charity need not really have a single charitable bone in his body so long as he is able to deliver the end results.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-11-21 16:34:35 UTC
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:
Ursula Thrace wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
this is why i donated money straight to red cross


yes, because the red cross is such a trustworthy organization...


I work near the British red cross HQ and once a month all the directors come and have a meeting. The car park is full of jaguars, mercs, bmw's and Porsche's. You'd never have thought charity to be such a profitable business.


I didn't realise that people who work for charities are obliged to be paid less than the market rate for their skills. You live and learn.

Or perhaps you are mixing things up and confusing the fact that charities raise and administer charitable donations with the idea that people working for these organisations should also provide their own services as a charitable donation.


Woah don't get your knickers in a twist son.

All I'm saying is I didn't think there was that much profit to be made in charity. Is it morally right that the top dogs get paid so much? I don't care, I'd do the same in their position no doubt.



But some care, and these some will not help trough those organizations because of that.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-11-21 18:37:27 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
There is a big difference between profit and runnign cost. You are mixing the high exec pay check with profit. Those are not teh same. For the red cross to amke a profit like your stupid post says, there would have to be money left on the table after everybody working for the red cross got paid AND the expenditure for food and other stuff were paid for.


To be fair we don't know anything about these people, they could possibly be making their fortune elsewhere and then go to these meetings for no pay etc. It's easy to jump to conclusions when you see them all pull up in their luxury cars.
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