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Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-11-20 22:48:54 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?



Very little. But that's okay, I came up with an alternative plan to plex my account! Would you like to purchase Red and Blue Mittens?

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-11-20 22:59:34 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.


We certainly know that you won't.

Other players with balls will.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#23 - 2013-11-20 23:37:18 UTC
Cameron Zero wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain [...]?

Income potential.
Conflict potential. (We've already received wardecs!)

Seriously? That doesn't seem logical in my small mind.

Wouldn't it be cheaper for people to send ISK for better standing?
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#24 - 2013-11-20 23:58:18 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Cameron Zero wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain [...]?

Income potential.
Conflict potential. (We've already received wardecs!)

Seriously? That doesn't seem logical in my small mind.

Wouldn't it be cheaper for people to send ISK for better standing?


You'd think, but someone (supposedly) paid a well known mercenary corp to wardec us over POCOs (supposedly), so...

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-11-21 05:23:51 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
You should all go ahead and siphon our moons in revenge.


The only part that sucks is that it will cost people 500M to just be able to shoot your highsec POCOS. I wish anybody could just shoot any highsec POCO and just go suspect.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-11-21 05:59:44 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
You should all go ahead and siphon our moons in revenge.


The only part that sucks is that it will cost people 500M to just be able to shoot your highsec POCOS. I wish anybody could just shoot any highsec POCO and just go suspect.


This is a terrible idea, for you, because it means Lyris will run seigefleet in highsec.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-11-21 10:25:00 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?


~This is now a kink shaming thread~






Who we go to bed with and how we do it is none of your business Dinsdale.
Clara Trevlyn
Carry on Capsuleering
#28 - 2013-11-21 10:40:14 UTC
i am seeing custom office rates in relatively quiet places of up to 30% which is the sort of level of greed where people are going to see their investments being removed...

5% corp tax seems pretty sensible for such an investment, especially when you can relatively easily offset most of that increase by training Customs Code Expertise a few levels.
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-11-21 11:25:03 UTC
You guys do realize at 5% you are paying less in taxes then most major null entities charge their own people?



If you dont like the taxes feel free to grind through the 20m hp yourselves, Move your PI or war dec them,
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#30 - 2013-11-21 11:48:01 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?


~This is now a kink shaming thread~






Who we go to bed with and how we do it is none of your business Dinsdale.


Dinsdale is more than welcome to join us, its my experience that the crazy's are always great in bed.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#31 - 2013-11-21 11:51:44 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?


~This is now a kink shaming thread~






Who we go to bed with and how we do it is none of your business Dinsdale.


Dinsdale is more than welcome to join us, its my experience that the crazy's are always great in bed.



You're forgetting the golden rule. You don't stick /anything/ in crazy.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Dilbert Lakes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-11-21 15:34:38 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?


Let's go off on a tangent here, for a moment. This is a video game. It's played by people, many of whom belong to various player organizations.

GSF is a large organization, populated by people, who are playing a video game. They do tend to play to win, but that's not uncommon in video games, and there's certainly nothing wrong with it. They're just people whose goals in a video game are at odds with yours.

Your attempts to dehumanize them and treat them as if they are, in fact, a great evil instead of just people playing a video game suggests that you need to step back and examine where the line between game and reality is drawn.

Once you realize that not everyone is afflicted with a basic inability to distinguish "evil" from "people playing video games", it's quite easy to see why RvB would be fine with this.

Why *wouldn't* they be? Since we've removed the irrational-bordering-on-insane moralistic reasoning from the equation, what's better for RvB?

Engaging in protracted and expensive POCO bashing battles against GSF? Or just saying, "Hey, let's just not shoot each other's POCOs, cool? Cool."



i think the point you missed was that RvB are generally held in better stead than GSF.

Without delving into the squalid quagmire of morality too deeply, GSF do not play well with others, a trait all too common to gamers, and increasingly leaching into RL relationships.
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#33 - 2013-11-21 16:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Clio
SurrenderMonkey wrote:



Once you realize that not everyone is afflicted with a basic inability to distinguish "evil" from "people playing video games", it's quite easy to see why RvB would be fine with this.

Why *wouldn't* they be? Since we've removed the irrational-bordering-on-insane moralistic reasoning from the equation, what's better for RvB?

Engaging in protracted and expensive POCO bashing battles against GSF? Or just saying, "Hey, let's just not shoot each other's POCOs, cool? Cool."



This man is much too rational, we need to revoke his Eve Forum posting licence!

Seriously though. RvB (and goons) have tax rates that makes it *cheaper* for you to do PI than the NPC rate... and people are upset by this? Roll

Edit: the RvB rate is 5%. There's a 10% NPC rate on top that you can reduce to 5% with the new PI skill, for a total of 10% (just so we're clear)
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-11-21 21:21:47 UTC
To those concerned about RvB cooperating with goons on this..
have you considered the alternative? All goons POCOs?

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-11-21 21:29:58 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
This man is much too rational, we need to revoke his Eve Forum posting licence!

Seriously though. RvB (and goons) have tax rates that makes it *cheaper* for you to do PI than the NPC rate... and people are upset by this? Roll

Edit: the RvB rate is 5%. There's a 10% NPC rate on top that you can reduce to 5% with the new PI skill, for a total of 10% (just so we're clear)

You'll find that some people would rather cut off their hand than shake hands with a Goon.
Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#36 - 2013-11-21 21:56:05 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
You should all go ahead and siphon our moons in revenge.

As if we haven't already... Twisted
Jessica Braun
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-11-21 22:27:50 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:


Your attempts to dehumanize them and treat them as if they are, in fact, a great evil instead of just people playing a video game suggests that you need to step back and examine where the line between game and reality is drawn.



Does it hurt much?

Tiresome is a good word to describe people who counter adverse statements as being somehow, someone losing touch with the line between real and space world. Lazy is another.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-11-21 22:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Jessica Braun wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:


Your attempts to dehumanize them and treat them as if they are, in fact, a great evil instead of just people playing a video game suggests that you need to step back and examine where the line between game and reality is drawn.



Does it hurt much?

Tiresome is a good word to describe people who counter adverse statements as being somehow, someone losing touch with the line between real and space world. Lazy is another.



When you start thinking that other people are bad or subhuman because they're your opposition in a ******* video game, you have lost touch with reality.

Dinsdale's hatred of Goons for playing a role as internet space villains is every bit as absurd as it would be to, say, hate Ted Levine because he played Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-11-21 23:26:54 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
This man is much too rational, we need to revoke his Eve Forum posting licence!

Seriously though. RvB (and goons) have tax rates that makes it *cheaper* for you to do PI than the NPC rate... and people are upset by this? Roll

Edit: the RvB rate is 5%. There's a 10% NPC rate on top that you can reduce to 5% with the new PI skill, for a total of 10% (just so we're clear)

You'll find that some people would rather cut off their hand than shake hands with a Goon.


Then why don't they use our POCOs then?

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-11-23 09:16:21 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?

...

Your attempts to dehumanize them and treat them as if they are, in fact, a great evil instead of just people playing a video game suggests that you need to step back and examine where the line between game and reality is drawn.
...


Dinsdale is actually right on this count.

We truly are a great evil. We are such horrible people that we barely qualify as human beings. The things I've seen, the things I've done as a goon, both in Eve and elsewhere, are a laundry list of unspeakable horrors. There is a reason we have FC's who can run around shooting structures for days on end. It is because the only thing more fearsome than 'suddenly PL supers' are the senseless atrocities we have committed that haunt us in our sleep.


I actually respect Dinsdale, both his insight and courage on calling us out on how evil we are. In a way I also pity him, because the longer he stares into the moral abyss of the goons, the more he becomes one of us. And there is nothing more depraved, more pitiable, more cripplingly awkward than a self-hating goon, and Dinsdale would be the self-hatingest of goons.
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