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Creating a wh corp, need critic/advice

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akali v2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-21 02:44:23 UTC
Hello everyone! I recently made a topic about duo living in a wh and got alot of nice responses, but after some thinking it would be pretty lonely.
Therefore i now have desilusions about becoming a ceo of a WH corp, and need someone to tell me if i have illusions of grandeur or if it is doable.
I have yet ever to live in a wh, but have spent probably 20+ hours reading about different aspects( thats what eve is all about right?:p)
So my plan is:
*Move in to a c4-c3 with nice pi( nanite paste capable)
* set up my own personal pos
* set up a corp pos
* get some members( keep it small, 10-15 active)
I will not be really selective regarding skills(will do drake fleets on static rolls) , will also be a corp where people can relax without the constant mandatory pvp attendance( appliers will ofc need skill and bring a ship for homedefence if the hole, and its a plus if they enjoy pvp)
If anyone desires a personal pos, i will set it up and create a personal password.
I will buy nanite paste components at jita price.
2% poco tax.
Basically a group of carebears wich are willing tl defend their home and roll statics
Is this achievable? Or the ramblings of a madman? ( sorry for wall of text, iphone is weird)
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2 - 2013-11-21 02:54:24 UTC
It's for sure doable. I moved my corp straight to wormholes after I did a month long stint in a c3. It was hard for the guys to adjust at first no one knew the mechanics and living in a pos confused them. It took time but once they figured it out they decided wormholes were the right place for them. Our first wormhole as a corp was a c2-c3-hs. It provided easy logistics a soloable static and easy sites for those who didn't have the skills or the confidence for the static. The pvp was good and they loved it. We had our ups and downs in pvp and were only harassed twice by campers (N0MEX and Powerducks) after all was said and done we moved out and went further. You being in squee leads me to believe you live in null. I'll tell you now as someone who did the null to wh transition. It's addictive. After living in wspace for 3 weeks I pulled everything from null and commuted my corp fully to wormhole space. I say do it. It will be one of the best choices in eve you'll ever make

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"

akali v2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-11-21 03:00:53 UTC
The reason im looking for a c4-c3 , is despite theexrra logistic its to my understanding the " safest" place to be+ having endless access to relatively easy sites and being able to choose when to pvp and when to close the static:)
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#4 - 2013-11-21 03:06:32 UTC
No wormhole is safer. That's a fallacy. C4 space has just as many predators as the other classes. Hi sec guys didn't really come in to our c2 that often and when they did it was to mine or just scan. For starting out I suggest a c2 with a static c3. For care bearing at least. If you're just starting out and want to pvp is suggest a c2-c2. It's an aquired taste living out here for sure but it grows in you quick. This is of course only my opinion based on my experiences and mine alone. I'm sure others will have some advice as well. With a class 4and c3 static you'll get a lot of null and low sec empire connections for roaming. The hi sec holes come decently often but in a c4 you'll also never get wandering holes to empire and a lot of higher class holes have c4 statics and people's chains will role into you fairly often. As long as you are prepared for this then you should be gravy

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"

akali v2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-21 03:36:28 UTC
Thx alot for the answers m8:) yeah a c2-c3 might suffic too i guess:) ill pick one with lowsecstatic anyway if its gonna be a c2 though:) never actually considered c2 because i are referred to as a pvp highway everwhere:p
Yea, carebearing while stillbeing able to defend home systemwill be main focus.
Orcas fit through k-space-c2 right?
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#6 - 2013-11-21 03:42:38 UTC
Yes max jump mass is 300 mill on a c2. If you're looking for care bearing with a c2 go for c3 static a low sec static c2 always has another c2 static. And c2 guys love to pvp. Also c2 isk is meh. C3 isk with proper salvage skills can net up to 80 mill a site. The c3 is always my first choice for newborns to start out. Although my alliance is going on a newbie drive and we are bringing guys out to c6 space giving them all the gas sites and hacking sites after we clear rats. I might find a c2-c1 to teach them about mechanics. We haven't hashed everything out yet

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"

Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-11-21 04:00:59 UTC
akali v2 wrote:
Hello everyone! I recently made a topic about duo living in a wh and got alot of nice responses, but after some thinking it would be pretty lonely.
Therefore i now have desilusions about becoming a ceo of a WH corp, and need someone to tell me if i have illusions of grandeur or if it is doable.
I have yet ever to live in a wh, but have spent probably 20+ hours reading about different aspects( thats what eve is all about right?:p)
So my plan is:
*Move in to a c4-c3 with nice pi( nanite paste capable)
* set up my own personal pos
* set up a corp pos
* get some members( keep it small, 10-15 active)
I will not be really selective regarding skills(will do drake fleets on static rolls) , will also be a corp where people can relax without the constant mandatory pvp attendance( appliers will ofc need skill and bring a ship for homedefence if the hole, and its a plus if they enjoy pvp)
If anyone desires a personal pos, i will set it up and create a personal password.
I will buy nanite paste components at jita price.
2% poco tax.
Basically a group of carebears wich are willing tl defend their home and roll statics
Is this achievable? Or the ramblings of a madman? ( sorry for wall of text, iphone is weird)


IMO your best bet is to get yourself a c4 with a c3 static.

This will give you the best of all situations as you get a static to farm (and also allows for some growth of your potential corp)

That and generally c4s have the lowest amount of traffic as they get no incoming or outgoing connections to Kspace.

Mail me or convo me if you would like to know anything else.

Regards,

Sith

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

akali v2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-11-21 04:04:01 UTC
I see:) so just to be clear there are no c2- low-c3?
So my best bet is c2- high-c3? Im gonna be putting pocos when i eventually find a cozy hole s i have to be certain:p
Really happy fr the replies i already have got:) open for diferent views too if someone has a view of it:)
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-11-21 05:27:33 UTC
A c2 with a c3 static will always have a highsec static.

You will have an interesting time acquiring one as generally all the good ones are occupied.

Regards,

Sith

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#10 - 2013-11-21 05:34:59 UTC
I think I might be able to find you one for your first steps into the wonderful world of wormholes

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"

akali v2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-11-21 08:19:28 UTC
despite dmitry wizards kind advice, i am now set on getting a c4-c3 with nanite repairpaste capabilities.
guess im gonna spend some time scanning one down:P
http://www.wormholesales.com/wormholes?sort=created_at are legit? i guess you could never tell whos posting the Whs though. anyways if anyone wanna get rid of a hole. hook me up:)
Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#12 - 2013-11-21 08:28:05 UTC
Hmm sounds good but. C4/C3 is PRETTY occupied it took for me about 2 weeks to find one (scanning + trade ads) but for you I reccomend c3/lowsec, pretty empty, good connections, lesser traffic. Good income for starting corp. Usually lowsec entrace is 1 jump out of hisec


Aakkonen

Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7

Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#13 - 2013-11-21 08:32:11 UTC
akali v2 wrote:
despite dmitry wizards kind advice, i am now set on getting a c4-c3 with nanite repairpaste capabilities.
guess im gonna spend some time scanning one down:P
http://www.wormholesales.com/wormholes?sort=created_at are legit? i guess you could never tell whos posting the Whs though. anyways if anyone wanna get rid of a hole. hook me up:)


If you do buy anything from Wormhole sales make sure you don't pay anything up front. Get in the hole and check it out beforehand.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-11-21 08:46:43 UTC
akali v2 wrote:
despite dmitry wizards kind advice, i am now set on getting a c4-c3 with nanite repairpaste capabilities.
guess im gonna spend some time scanning one down:P
http://www.wormholesales.com/wormholes?sort=created_at are legit? i guess you could never tell whos posting the Whs though. anyways if anyone wanna get rid of a hole. hook me up:)

If you do go through WH sales make sure you use a broker as it will minimize the chance of being scammed

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#15 - 2013-11-21 08:47:56 UTC
C4 space is still a good start. It's decently secluded. I will however giving you one warning. Prepare for c4-c4-c4-c4-c5-c5-c5-c6-c5-c5 chains. When we lived in a c5-c4 the chains were ridonculous and scanning takes forever. But the c4 holes that roll into you will provide good gas and data relic sites. If you fit a legion up you can solo the first wave of almost all the data relic sites get your loot and get out without a hitch. I bid you good luck and prosperity in your new voyage to wormhole space

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"

Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2013-11-21 18:20:57 UTC
As I have a C4 static, I run into plenty of C4 -> C3s, so I can keep my eye out for you.

In regards to C4 -> C4 -> C4/5 infinity chains, one, he wouldn't be getting those kind of chains with a C3 static... Two, it's not very difficult to just roll out those chains for something new.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

akali v2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-21 18:39:55 UTC
that sounds nice andrewXD im scanning like a boss right now. but not much luck yet::)
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2013-11-21 18:50:29 UTC
Actually, I'm sitting in one right now...

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#19 - 2013-11-21 18:53:32 UTC
The main thing you will run into, logistics. We also ran a personal pos program for a while. These are the issues we ran into.


1) People did not pay the rental bill (which was the fuel bill to fuel the pos)
2) People did not fuel the pos themselves.
3) People would take weeks off, and leave there pos/ships unattended
4) Shutting down a pos requires you to be able to fly every ship in there out, or to blow them all up. People get upset if you blow them up.
5) You have to keep track of all alts, all passwords. People either forget the password, or ask outright for it.
6) You need a backup player you trust with roles to deal with pos level issues, else you'll be stuck dealing with the day to day bs of pos's.
7) People are going to want to research in there. Not the greatest idea, but expect a bunch of billion isk blueprints to be floating around in pos's (not annoying to manage, annoying to track down people who "theive them".
8) Fuel types. Keep the pos's the same, else they'll just be a pain when dealing with fuel. The fuel only becomes an issue if you lack #9
9) People who want to haul fuel/products in and out. Its logistics, its booring, it takes forever, and people don't like guarding a wormhole entrance (booooooriiiing).

The main ones I've run into is #2, #1, and #4. #4 is a pain if you don't have alts or others that can fly the crap they leave.

If you are just starting out, I'd avoid the whole personal pos thing. Setup 1 POS, possibly 2. Minmatar for a C4 is a pretty good deal, but an amarr works also. Unless you are hardcore gas mining, Site running, etc. Don't expect to build a ton of stuff there, you'll import more than you take in. If you don't want to deal a ton with security, pos management and assignments, have people anchor giant secure containers outside the pos (right outside is fine), and have them put a password on it.

With the new Mobile Units, anchoring one of those could be a good alternative also, expect people to take pot shots at it if your tower is not setup to attack at all ranges.

I would not go about anchoring 10 to 12 towers just so people can have their own little home, because most people do not know HOW to take care of their own little home.

Rule of thumb, unless you have a few right hand men (and I mean people who will log on and just do a job you ask them no questions asked), don't do more than 1 tower.

If you are doing a C4.. DON'T build a damn capital in it. Orca is fine, don't make a archon. It'll just be a waste as you can't get it out of a C4. C4's aren't for capitals.

You can do a C4 with all of 3 people if you are good, 10 to 15 is pretty much its saturation point. C2 you can double that amount as you can roll your statics.

Buy the nanite paste components at 5% to 10% under jita price (price fluxuates allot), that and you are saving people time by not having to haul it to high, then contract it out to red frog to ship it to jita to sell.

You can do a 0% tax, or a 10% Tax, 5% is a good middle ground.

Yaay!!!!

akali v2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-11-21 19:01:21 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Actually, I'm sitting in one right now...

send me the j-sig if you please:)


yeah i understand those issues phoenix XD anyhow i will have 2 poses. one corp and one personal, because im paranoid.
will medium posses suffice for defense? home for 10-15 players?
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