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High Sec POCO stupidity.

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#221 - 2013-11-20 22:47:36 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Highsec needs to be seen a flowchart or something or they can't lead A to B to C


Making an awful big assumption that they'd understand a flowchart.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"
Rita Riddick
Doomheim
#222 - 2013-11-20 22:47:40 UTC

Raise the tax rate.

Please, raise the tax rate.

~The problem with Goonswarm, is that it's full of BoB/Goons/RvB~
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#223 - 2013-11-20 22:51:49 UTC
All the COs I use have been turned into POCOs. I did a test to better understand the tax rate you see when doing a "get info" on the POCO. The value you see is the total tax, NPC + PC. In addition the effect of your skill is included.

For me the result is the planets I like to use will actually have a smaller tax than they did pre-expansion.
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#224 - 2013-11-20 22:54:10 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
All the COs I use have been turned into POCOs. I did a test to better understand the tax rate you see when doing a "get info" on the POCO. The value you see is the total tax, NPC + PC. In addition the effect of your skill is included.

For me the result is the planets I like to use will actually have a smaller tax than they did pre-expansion.


Which, really, is the point. :)

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#225 - 2013-11-20 23:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: The Mittani
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mittens has to be facepalming on this one.

He lowers the overall tax rate, and still they ***** about having to pay it to him, instead of burning it giving it to Interbus or whatever.

I mean, you all do know the Goons could be rampantly screwing you(and you couldn't really do a damn thing about it either way), right?


I'm quite happy with it. 99% will use RvBee pocos without complaint, or seek them out because of our best-in-class competitive rates. The 1% scream and flail and twitch and moan and curse our names. Would that it were more!

~hi~
Tragot Gomndor
Three Sword Inc
#226 - 2013-11-20 23:15:01 UTC
*pokes The Mittani*

OMG... he is REAL... he IS real... HE is real...

NONONONONONO TO CAPS IN HIGHSEC NO
Dracnys
#227 - 2013-11-20 23:21:39 UTC
The Laffer curve can be applied here and could be a good visualization of the "where to set taxes to maximize revenue" problem.

note that t* is NOT necessarily 50% that's just how the graph is drawn in this example.

Laffer Curve
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#228 - 2013-11-20 23:25:15 UTC
Dracnys wrote:
The Laffer curve can be applied here and could be a good visualization of the "where to set taxes to maximize revenue" problem.

note that t* is NOT necessarily 50% that's just how the graph is drawn in this example.

Laffer Curve




Of course that ignores the OTHER reason for high tax.

On resource planets too many non-corp PI installations will drain your planet quickly. A high tax will get non corp players to leave a planet meaning more resources for your corpies.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#229 - 2013-11-20 23:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Yeah, the rvb deal and generous rates show just how tenuous the goon poco play is, especially with commitments elsewhere in nullsec right now. There absolutely is opportunity for enterprising groups to make a play for key pocos areas. That doesn't mean they won't come back periodically and reassert control, but that just means you wait them out and start again when theyre committed elsewhere.

I'd even guess that some people are well aware of this, and are already planning accordingly, leaving just the perpetually frightened video game player to whine on the forum about his self-imposed spaceship impotence.

Edit: never mind that we're talking about a fraction of planets, meaning that you can avoid goons or taxes altogether if you can suffer hauling your junk and extra few jumps

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#230 - 2013-11-20 23:50:17 UTC
a dread in every hangar, a monocle on every avatar

blowin' money fast~

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#231 - 2013-11-20 23:55:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
a dread in every hangar, a monocle on every avatar

blowin' money fast~


Don't forget the cybernetic arms.
J'mee Leggs
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#232 - 2013-11-21 00:04:06 UTC  |  Edited by: J'mee Leggs
Rita Riddick wrote:
RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.

You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.



Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though.


<3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op.
Rita Riddick
Doomheim
#233 - 2013-11-21 00:19:25 UTC
J'mee Leggs wrote:
Rita Riddick wrote:
RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.

You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.



Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though.


<3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op.

There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table.

Congratulations.

~The problem with Goonswarm, is that it's full of BoB/Goons/RvB~
J'mee Leggs
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#234 - 2013-11-21 00:27:56 UTC
Rita Riddick wrote:
J'mee Leggs wrote:
Rita Riddick wrote:
RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.

You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.



Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though.


<3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op.

There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table.

Congratulations.



Your mistake is in thinking that RvB is interested in being Goons' "equals".
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#235 - 2013-11-21 00:32:15 UTC
J'mee Leggs wrote:
Rita Riddick wrote:
RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.

You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.

Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though.


<3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op.

no, you're now a pet don't you see

rebel

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#236 - 2013-11-21 00:32:34 UTC
Rita Riddick wrote:
J'mee Leggs wrote:
Rita Riddick wrote:
RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.

You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.



Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though.


<3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op.

There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table.

Congratulations.



^Prime example of the irrational hatred thing. Even goes so far as to co-opt another player organization into his Us Vs Goons persecution fantasy.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#237 - 2013-11-21 00:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Rita Riddick wrote:
J'mee Leggs wrote:
Rita Riddick wrote:
RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.

You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.

Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though.


<3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op.

There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table.

Congratulations.


^Prime example of the irrational hatred thing. Even goes so far as to co-opt another player organization into his Us Vs Goons persecution fantasy.

i'm sure both Red AND Blue are profiting nicely from the cooperation.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2013-11-21 00:36:50 UTC
Surprisingly, people who may have great differences can still work together in mutually beneficial arrangements. See exotic real life examples such as "professional relationships" and "being an adult in the workplace."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#239 - 2013-11-21 00:37:57 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Surprisingly, people who may have great differences can still work together in mutually beneficial arrangements. See exotic real life examples such as "professional relationships" and "being an adult in the workplace."

n3, for example, exists to destroy the cfc

Note the close cooperation with entities like Test Alliance Please Ignore and Tribal Band who share similar goals.

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Rita Riddick
Doomheim
#240 - 2013-11-21 00:46:04 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Surprisingly, people who may have great differences can still work together in mutually beneficial arrangements. See exotic real life examples such as "professional relationships" and "being an adult in the workplace."

God, I hope I have a good view when your worlds collide and all your fancy little dreams come crashing down.

That my friend, will be a good day...

~The problem with Goonswarm, is that it's full of BoB/Goons/RvB~