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PLEX for Philippines

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X ATM092
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#121 - 2013-11-19 17:11:26 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Got some "Help The Phillipines" propaganda from one of the "aid agencies" today.

Unsolicited, of course, it's just addressed to "box holder" as this is largely how such organizations work -- they pay the post office to spam entire areas with glossy flyers designed to separate folks from their hard earned coin.

So...NO... I am not sending $75 for a new GOAT, that will be purchased in some far off place for the local equivalent of $1 or E1... so that the CEO and his cronies can line their pockets with the other $74 under some obscure heading called "Administration Costs".

The bigger the "disaster", the bigger the scam.

This is a nonsense. Charities are scrutinised, you can go through the many charity options and see how much each one spends on administration etc and you can even designate your donation so it can only be spent on relief for the people you're trying to help. For more information read here.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=1659#.UoubhPlSiuo

Maybe some charities are shady but the tools to work out which exist. As in eve, do your homework.
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2013-11-20 03:16:13 UTC
Plex for Good, Philippines.

Bump.
Canenald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#123 - 2013-11-20 16:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Canenald
Sure, someone buys a PLEX for $20, then you buy it for ISK and donate it and $15 goes to charity. CCP keeps $5, corruption in Iceland makes another $5 disappear, corruption in the the Philippines makes another $5 disappear, and only $5 makes it where it's needed.

Still nice that you can help people using your ISK, but CCP really didn't have to pocket 25%.
Tengu Skunkworks
T3 Aerospace Industries
#124 - 2013-11-20 17:03:28 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#125 - 2013-11-20 17:23:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#126 - 2013-11-20 17:33:01 UTC
Whoever want to send donations of PLEX or ISK are now allowed and encouraged!!!

Instructions and everything are available at this thread.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#127 - 2013-11-20 17:45:11 UTC
Time is short and because of the uncertainty we are behind the times. Please go all out with the charity! P
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#128 - 2013-11-20 17:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
edited: no need for what i had wrote anymore.

DONATE PLEX TO CCP!!!
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#129 - 2013-11-20 18:01:36 UTC
Charity is not giving meaningless play money. It's actually trying to help.
To think that you should be able to play a game, and donate some of the proceeds to disaster relief is embarrassing.

Charity: "generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: "

Generosity comes from the real world, from real things, from real work., not a fantasy game. You play for fun, so I see no generosity here, just laziness.
You want to help, go out and start a canned food drive, donate cloths that don't fit, make an actual difference.

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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#130 - 2013-11-20 18:05:32 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Charity is not giving meaningless play money. It's actually trying to help.
To think that you should be able to play a game, and donate some of the proceeds to disaster relief is embarrassing.

Charity: "generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: "

Generosity comes from the real world, from real things, from real work., not a fantasy game. You play for fun, so I see no generosity here, just laziness.
You want to help, go out and start a canned food drive, donate cloths that don't fit, make an actual difference.


You can do that if you want *******. Let the people who want to give Plex do it, it doesn't hurt you in any fashion. Maybe not everyone has the time or resources IRL to do things like that. Some people have jobs and families.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#131 - 2013-11-20 18:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Charity is not giving meaningless play money. It's actually trying to help.
To think that you should be able to play a game, and donate some of the proceeds to disaster relief is embarrassing.

Charity: "generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: "

Generosity comes from the real world, from real things, from real work., not a fantasy game. You play for fun, so I see no generosity here, just laziness.
You want to help, go out and start a canned food drive, donate cloths that don't fit, make an actual difference.




People can, and are doing both.

The people in the Philippines are not going to say "Holy ****, lets turn down that $10k because it came from a game.

Many charitable things done are also fun.....like sitting in a bath of beans for a day, wearing a red nose, having a gaming marathon, doing a sponsored walk, changing your hair colour. Are these events not fun? Are they not charitable?

"Real things"......Real hours are spent getting the isk for plex. Real money is being donated.

The Filipinos and the charities assisting them do not give a **** that the money is generated through "leisure time" activities, because, unless you are a professional fundraiser, all charity is done in your spare time.
RAW23
#132 - 2013-11-20 18:25:26 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Charity is not giving meaningless play money. It's actually trying to help.
To think that you should be able to play a game, and donate some of the proceeds to disaster relief is embarrassing.

Charity: "generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: "

Generosity comes from the real world, from real things, from real work., not a fantasy game. You play for fun, so I see no generosity here, just laziness.
You want to help, go out and start a canned food drive, donate cloths that don't fit, make an actual difference.



Because it is better to give less through 'the real world' than through a hobby plus 'the real world'. Also, sports clubs shouldn't carry out any charity projects because they just play games and it would be embarrassing if they were to raise money via a game rather than through something real.

I got stupider just reading your post. The idiocy really aches. You are actually telling people not to donate money because somehow you are embarrassed about your hobby. Get over it. You know where you play your game? That's right, you play it in real life! It is part of real life and is played by real people really doing things. Normally those things don't have any consequences outside the game but it is a good day when they can have a positive effect.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#133 - 2013-11-20 19:09:08 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Charity is not giving meaningless play money. It's actually trying to help.
To think that you should be able to play a game, and donate some of the proceeds to disaster relief is embarrassing.

Charity: "generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: "

Generosity comes from the real world, from real things, from real work., not a fantasy game. You play for fun, so I see no generosity here, just laziness.
You want to help, go out and start a canned food drive, donate cloths that don't fit, make an actual difference.

I'm terribly sorry that the $60,- I pledged (=4 Plex) doesn't count as real life help to those in need in your view. Mind you, in real life that amount of money roughly equals the amount I have left (after paying all the bills) to spend on food for my family of five in a bloody week! Money earned by working hard....
I have kids to feed, by donating Plex I can feed some other kids halfway across the planet in a country devastated by a natural disaster.
The fact that this way I can do both, DOES make an actual difference in my book!

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Stray Pacis
Dark Origin.
#134 - 2013-11-20 23:01:40 UTC
thanks to ccp and t for his valiant effort... as a filipino i want to thank all of you for your generosity in helping my countrymen in this hour of tragedy... again thanks to everybody for sharing and may you all fly safe...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#135 - 2013-11-20 23:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Charity is not giving meaningless play money. It's actually trying to help.
To think that you should be able to play a game, and donate some of the proceeds to disaster relief is embarrassing.

Charity: "generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: "

Generosity comes from the real world, from real things, from real work., not a fantasy game. You play for fun, so I see no generosity here, just laziness.
You want to help, go out and start a canned food drive, donate cloths that don't fit, make an actual difference.



Ok, challenge taken.

Here's my personal RL cash donationthat will add to the one done in EvE.

Now the ball is in YOUR court.

Post YOUR donation receipt, or disappear in shame.
RAW23
#136 - 2013-11-20 23:41:24 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Post YOUR donation recipe, or disappear in shame.


Receipt Blink

Both words have the same origin, though, and cookery recipes are still called receipts in some parts of the English-speaking world.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#137 - 2013-11-20 23:52:21 UTC
Updates:

The VAERT charity is receiving tons of donations: 3B in liquid cash from RAW23 (your Top Donor of all time!) but also a plethora of PLEXes to exchange or gifted.


In case you also wish to donate something please follow these donations / contract guidelines.

1) please make SURE to include a description clearly stating it's for PLEX for Good. CCP will eventually check my account, everything is best to be as easy, linear and easily understood as possible.

2) In case you contract items (i.e. mods) please only contract them at Jita IV CNAP or maximum at Dodixie distance and in contiguous high sec to Jita.

3) In case you are vaguely thinking about setting up a fake contract, a scam contract and similar, be warned that CCP WILL perma ban your account, because we are operating in special EULA rules here. Just look at the above linked blog and read the last, bolded lines talking about CCP's stance on charity scams.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#138 - 2013-11-20 23:53:11 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Post YOUR donation recipe, or disappear in shame.


Receipt Blink

Both words have the same origin, though, and cookery recipes are still called receipts in some parts of the English-speaking world.



Hehe looks like I should disappear in shame too Lol
Stray Denton
Firstbourne
#139 - 2013-11-21 12:38:31 UTC
Think I'm misunderstanding something here, you buy a plex for x amount and then give that plex to ccp, ccp then take out the charges and give what's left to the charity?

Surely to make a real difference and avoid all the extra charges is would be better to donate the original amount to the red cross in the first place?

Don't get me wrong and I may be missing something here, but this sounds like a popularity stunt more than actually trying to help those that really need it.

Wouldn't it not be better to have links to the international charities and relief efforts rather than wasting money on VAT which if I'm correct you can claim back against any charitable donation made.

Before someone gets on their soapbox I'm all for giving to aid relief and help people and I also realise those that have more time than money can earn the isk to buy plex to donate, which is great, but it just didn't read like that to me, so if I have the wrong end of the stick please feel free to correct me.
Nanatoa
#140 - 2013-11-21 12:54:40 UTC
Stray Denton wrote:
Think I'm misunderstanding something here, you buy a plex for x amount and then give that plex to ccp, ccp then take out the charges and give what's left to the charity?


CCP gives $15 per donated PLEX; $15 is what 1 month's subscription (PLEX) is worth. Sure they cost a bit more to buy, but that includes reseller margin, VAT and stuff.

Stray Denton wrote:
Surely to make a real difference and avoid all the extra charges is would be better to donate the original amount to the red cross in the first place?

If you have cash, donating cash is easier and more efficient yes. If you have billions of ISK and little cash, donating PLEX is a good way to help.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011