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Why bother with economics at all?

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Psyue Mi
Silverymoon Corporation
#1 - 2013-11-20 18:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Psyue Mi
Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?

Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.

Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?

Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?

With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?

Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.

As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.

The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2013-11-20 18:43:37 UTC
Ok, thanks.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-11-20 18:45:25 UTC
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY !!!

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!



GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD


RIDDANCE !!!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2013-11-20 18:48:31 UTC
Not so stealth Highsec POCO whine thread.



Come to null. The PI is better, the people are better, the pew pew is better...pretty much the everything is better. THe only trade off is that you cant AFK yourself around....unless youre cloaky camping a system..in which case AFKing yourself is recommended.


See also:

Highsec problems.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Sacu Shi
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-11-20 18:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sacu Shi
Can I haz your stuff then?

*edit for manners* Please?
Noriko Mai
#6 - 2013-11-20 18:49:55 UTC
It must be this youth obsession. After six years in EVE and still as clever as a noob coming from WoW. obama-not-bad.jpg

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-11-20 18:54:38 UTC
Gamer4liff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-11-20 18:56:54 UTC
You're right, nobody should make anything ever, particularly the things I make. Stop it. Seriously.

A comprehensive proposal for balancing T2 Production: here

Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#9 - 2013-11-20 19:06:19 UTC
*Gaia Ma'chello digs out from a huge pile of ISK, holding a bag.

"I found by PLEX stash. What was that about economics being useless?"
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-11-20 19:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Psyue Mi wrote:
Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?

Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.

Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?


What in the actual **** are you on about, exactly?

Invention is an amazing money-maker, and it doesn't matter how much it costs - that cost is factored into the price of the items.

There is no MAY about it. When I do invention, I get paid.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#11 - 2013-11-20 19:13:48 UTC
Invention is too expensive?

Wait....what?

Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#12 - 2013-11-20 19:14:11 UTC
This is really just another stealth "INTERCEPTORS SHOULDN'T BE NULLIFIED" Thread.

* I agree with you, mineral prices have fallen like a rock, I've seen people running 10 or even 25 interceptors at a time and I KNOW they are full of veldspar.

This is just another attack on the income of the industrialist!
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#13 - 2013-11-20 19:14:22 UTC
I like Cake.

Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!

Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-11-20 19:14:29 UTC
Ironically for you, the abysmal returns on anything industry related is precisely because of the ridiculously productive conditions in hisec. When everyone can mass-produce with ease and plexed alt accounts, this drives the returns to indy play into the mud, leaving profitable indy to the most vile of spreadsheet nerds with 20 accounts and the complete lack of social awareness requisite to point and click yourself into blissful oblivion in your mom's basement.

The best possible hope for returning indy play to a proftable endeavor for the average player is to decouple it from the near-perfect safety and manufacturing capacity that allows for vast economies of scale. When individual players making individual decisions while cooperating and competing with other players decides the profitability of indy play, then you will see the returns to such play rise appropriately.

They are addressing the issues with indy play, just not in the way the average joe hisec would imagine

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-11-20 19:15:13 UTC
Psyue Mi wrote:
Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?

Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.

Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?

Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?

With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?

Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.

As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.

The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.


1) Lots of people make TONS of money on through invention...I mean, everyone producing T2 stuff is losing money and it's horrible, don't try it.
2) There's lots of profit to be made if you just research the BPO's and know how/where to obtain minerals for lower prices.
3) There's easy money to be made in PI. Set it up once, poke it once a day and make 100M+ per month. Again you just need to know how/where to do it.
4) Everyone was warned beforehand that POCO's could be destroyed. Leaving loads of materials in them is your own fault.

I initially thought player-owned POCO's would be a horrible idea, but I've since changed my mind. I like it. Should be a good conflict driver. If EVE's not worth your time, then go do something else, stating problems that are not actually problems is of no use to anyone. From your complaints it seems you just don't know how to do things right. And EVE's all about fun anyways...

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#16 - 2013-11-20 19:21:55 UTC
Here's a novel idea OP... why don't you raise your prices? Or, if market prices (which behave irrationally in ANY economy with little to no rules) are under production costs, stockpile for when the market catches up.

Also... the entire game is based primarily around conflict between players... not [just] semi-passive accumulation of wealth.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-20 19:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Its because people think minerals don't cost anything when you mine it yourself. They don't bother to do the calculations to see they are actually losing money because they manufactured a good with it.

Yes, most of the market is that dumb.

Personally, I only make stuff that costs more than it takes to make it.

I own a large trading empire on a good people are too bothered to go to Jita for.

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Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-11-20 19:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Trix
I get it.... after 6 years, you must be sort of bored with the play style you've been doing.

I felt that way and just gave my characters away (do it with every game I play). If I get bored, I start over and it's fun again.

It's a game after all.... sell your toons on the bazaar and start over with a combat toon.

Lose your ships and fight pirates. It will be a different experience anyway, but don't leave the game without getting your chance at
being a bad guy first or a terrible PVPer and laugh yourself to sleep at night for the mistakes you'll make.

by now you must have a bunch of ISk, so do something crazy and have fun again.

Best
Caelestina
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-11-20 19:51:32 UTC
Posting in stealth "Save the Whales" thread.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#20 - 2013-11-20 19:59:21 UTC
Posts: why care about economics?

Proceeds to complain about manufacturing.

Actually is crying about POCOs.

lol

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