Ships & Modules

why are people complaining about a nerf as if it was some unintended side effect of something else.

they intentionally wanted to nerf RLMS, and they succeeded in doing so without making the weapon system useless.

To be fair, there really was a good reason to nerf the ROF, No one uses cerb for PVE, and those that do, tend to grind lvl 3.

Think about how ******** the new launchers would have been, getting like 550 with furys already

Then leaving the bonus on would increase that again, i could see why they did it, get 3-4 of these together with an inty and anyone caught by themselves was gonna have a very bad day. It would have been the "great Cerberus blitzkrieg"

That said, im not HAPPY about it, but it makes sense in a way :/


And of course, just as im about to finish hac 5 and finished light missle t2's,...... lol

sorry i mistook that then, i assumed it meant for all lfight systems.

Oh please, anyone you gang up on is going to have a bad day.

And they do it because the other systems are...well...crap. HAMs are serviceable in certain hulls, HMLs are a running joke....so what was left again?

Nonsense, the Cerb should have been left undisturbed

silly people, one does not simply put a tank on a Cerberus

Welcome to the world those of us who fly and fight using turret-based ships live in.

We've always had to decide to go with drones, smaller, unbonused turrets, target painters, or to pilot differently to minimize transversal. Oh, and, for those of us who didn't grow up flying Minmatar, often sub-optimal damage types.

You figure out how to make do with the tools at your disposal, or go and get new tools. New patches ALWAYS screw someone over - this time, it was people fitting RLML's for PVE.

Deal with it.

Earlier, someone suggested using a Flycatcher. That, or possibly an Assault Frigate (the Hawk, when using Kinetic missiles, gets the equivalent of an astounding EIGHT launcher slots at Assault Frigate Lvl ONE!) will readily kill any PVE frigate out there.

Neither of these options will take very long to train into, nor are they very expensive.

As a more expensive alternative, fly a Higinn - bonuses to both Target Painters AND Stasis Webifiers, and bonused for missile launchers - just train up Minmatar Cruiser V and Recon IV. It will enhance your Raven's capability, and deal quite nicely with any PVE frigate/cruiser blob you encounter. (NOTE: just fit dual 180's in the turret slots - amazing tracking, use short-range ammo)

RL MLs were OP and needed fixed, this isn't a fix though. And Rapdis will need to be looked at again. Just like HMLs need fixed, HAms need rebalanced slightly and so on. But you can't have one weapon system about to do what long range and close range do, and great against ships of your size and smaller both, it isn't fair. 40secs reload is crazy too, and makes rapids pretty much worthless. Yea you might kill a friagte or 2 before you have to reload, but once you do you are dead. Want a real fix to rapids, fix the range, fix the explosion radius/velocity, and fix the RofF, so they aren't as good against cruiers and up as they are against destroyers and up.

Rapid Missile Launcher Issues and Fix

The issues rapid launchers have are
1. They have amazing range, with the ability to do what close range guns and missiles and long range guns and missiles do in one.
2. Rapid launchers take far less CPU and PG than their counterparts, which in turn makes the ships using them have amazing tanks.
3. They are a weapon system designed to work against smaller targets, while they do this; they also work just as well against targets of the same size, and sometimes even larger targets.

How to fix these issues
1. Have rapids use rockets and heavy assault missiles. This would fix the range issue and still give enough range for good PvP. Rapid rocket launchers would be able to hit to 10km to 20km or more depending bonuses, rigs, and missile type. Rapid heavy assault missile launchers would hit 20km to 40km depending on all the same things.
2. Have their CPU and power grip increased slightly, but not as much as HAMs or HMLs, or as much as Torps or Cruise, but closer to their numbers. This would make it so ships using rapid launchers won't be able to fit unreal tanks, but still be able to fit "good" tanks.
3. They would need to have their rate of fire increased anywhere from 2 to 5 seconds to make sure they aren’t so effective against ships of the same size or larger.
4. Ships that use them Cruisers, Battlesruisers, and Battleships would need any bonuses they give to explosion radius or velocity not applied to rapid launchers.
5. Also the T2 missiles for rockets and heavy assault missiles will not make them OP like the T2 missiles did for heavy missiles and light missiles. As one is for higher damage at having less range and increased explosion radius and decreased explosion velocity and the other adds range at less damage.

I believe this would fix a great deal of issues with rapids. It would need to be tested on SiSi, and adjusted as needed, but it would work. Also remember missiles need to be looked at for rebalance. I’d say HAMs need explosion radius and explosion velocity adjusted 10% to 15% to help them engage targets of the same size better. HMLs need relooked at all together. Defenders need replaces with a flare type defense, like combat planes today use, FoF, I don't know they just suck.

Or we can keep 40secs reload, up to you.