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Stratios, good fits for exploring, missioning and PvP?

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Mira Thanis
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#41 - 2013-11-20 14:33:33 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:


Main trick is your rigs...thats what im really looking at lol



CCC II + 2 Auxiliary Nano Pump I

is what iam using..

Dual MAR + 2 Hardeners for 6/10
Dual MAR + Reactive Hardener for 5/10 + 2 DDA

worked for Angel 4/10 & 5/10 and Sansha 5/10 & 6/10 ...
aslong as you can speed tank some of the dmg anything is good.. just the dps is a bit low , also tracking for Drones could be better :/ but i see no chance to fit a Omni in a DMAR fit that 5th Sentry/HAD would be really nice for PVE.. but y.. nerf it because its op in PVP ..

The only other Downside is the CD on the Covops Cloak .. 30 seconds are too much :/
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#42 - 2013-11-20 14:55:08 UTC
Mira Thanis wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:


Main trick is your rigs...thats what im really looking at lol



CCC II + 2 Auxiliary Nano Pump I

is what iam using..

Dual MAR + 2 Hardeners for 6/10
Dual MAR + Reactive Hardener for 5/10 + 2 DDA

worked for Angel 4/10 & 5/10 and Sansha 5/10 & 6/10 ...
aslong as you can speed tank some of the dmg anything is good.. just the dps is a bit low , also tracking for Drones could be better :/ but i see no chance to fit a Omni in a DMAR fit that 5th Sentry/HAD would be really nice for PVE.. but y.. nerf it because its op in PVP ..

The only other Downside is the CD on the Covops Cloak .. 30 seconds are too much :/


Dual MAR is terrible. Stop that. You wonder why your dps is low? Also the locking delay on the covops cloak should be 5-6 seconds, and the reactivation delay should be less than that. The ship has absolutely acceptable dps with 4 drones. You just need to fit it right.

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Mira Thanis
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#43 - 2013-11-20 15:05:32 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Mira Thanis wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:


Main trick is your rigs...thats what im really looking at lol



CCC II + 2 Auxiliary Nano Pump I

is what iam using..

Dual MAR + 2 Hardeners for 6/10
Dual MAR + Reactive Hardener for 5/10 + 2 DDA

worked for Angel 4/10 & 5/10 and Sansha 5/10 & 6/10 ...
aslong as you can speed tank some of the dmg anything is good.. just the dps is a bit low , also tracking for Drones could be better :/ but i see no chance to fit a Omni in a DMAR fit that 5th Sentry/HAD would be really nice for PVE.. but y.. nerf it because its op in PVP ..

The only other Downside is the CD on the Covops Cloak .. 30 seconds are too much :/


Dual MAR is terrible. Stop that. You wonder why your dps is low? Also the locking delay on the covops cloak should be 5-6 seconds, and the reactivation delay should be less than that. The ship has absolutely acceptable dps with 4 drones. You just need to fit it right.


did you try a 6/10 or even 5/10 with mono MAR?

perhaps i'am to bad for that but without the second MAR surving that Auto aggro pockets in 6/10 Sansha or 5/10 Angels is quit difficult :/ i would like to run only one MAR .. that would open a slot for a second DDA and omni and other **** but the incoming DPS in that Complexes seems quit high :/
Alexis Antollare
Phoenix Freight
#44 - 2013-11-20 19:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Antollare
I've got a fit in mind for a Stratios Explorer. Not sure how good it is mostly because I don't know cruiser fittings all that well... So constructive feed back is more than welcome -

Stratios - High Sec Explorer/Combat sites

High Slot
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)

Mids
Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Low
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rigs
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Drones
Adjust to taste. My fit currently shows -
5xHobgoblin II
5xHammerhead II
4x Garde I
5X Vespa EC-600

DPS with skills at all five and the Gardes deployed 638
23,400 EHP vs Guristas

And no...I don't think this would survive Ghost sites from what I'm coming to understand.

thoughts? Suggestions? Questions?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#45 - 2013-11-20 20:17:17 UTC
pretty sure you'll get a better tank by getting a better mar than buying a second one and only having 2 hardeners. Naked RAH with no plate or additional resistance mods is also bad, RAH is best when stacked on top of hardeners.

Also, reactivation delay is 30 seconds, not locking delay, I misunderstood earlier. Yeah its a *****, gotta be careful about that.

Stratios should tank ghost sites easily, but you will need to refit in space with a depot. LSE + invulns or explosive hardener work, 1600 + 1 explosive hardener and a DC should also be MORE than adequate. Nullsec ghost site explosions are roughly 10,000 raw damage give or take a few thousand, and reportedly are full-on explosive damage type.

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Niclas Solo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-11-20 20:54:28 UTC
Alexis Antollare wrote:
I've got a fit in mind for a Stratios Explorer. Not sure how good it is mostly because I don't know cruiser fittings all that well... So constructive feed back is more than welcome -

Stratios - High Sec Explorer/Combat sites

High Slot
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)

Mids
Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Low
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rigs
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Drones
Adjust to taste. My fit currently shows -
5xHobgoblin II
5xHammerhead II
4x Garde I
5X Vespa EC-600

DPS with skills at all five and the Gardes deployed 638
23,400 EHP vs Guristas

And no...I don't think this would survive Ghost sites from what I'm coming to understand.

thoughts? Suggestions? Questions?


Wouldn't a myrm be better if you don't need the cloak? Or why not ishtar?
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-11-20 22:40:32 UTC
The ratting domi fit... oh wait its a stratios... well it works on here to anyways.
I did it tons of times testin the hardest level 4s and sites

If you are not happy about it just fu
Also there are allot of empty spots but thats just a basic template
You can also PvP easily if you put 2 Nano's MWD Targeting scripts in mids and so on, with some neuts in mids for the frigates chasing for you.....

Has i said, its a template but no, using lasers is something you dont need to do and is not effective unless you are thinking about needing to be close...

[Stratios, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II


Garde II x4
Bouncer II x4
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#48 - 2013-11-20 23:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Degnar Oskold
Alexis Antollare wrote:
I've got a fit in mind for a Stratios Explorer. Not sure how good it is mostly because I don't know cruiser fittings all that well... So constructive feed back is more than welcome -

Stratios - High Sec Explorer/Combat sites

*Total Weaksauce Stuff*


An expensive cruiser like that, travelling round hisec while probably carrying exploration loot.... it's going to catch a Tornado gank camp attention. No cloak to hide, not enough buffer to survive a good ganking.

Killing it , even while empty, will boost the ISK efficiency of a ganking corp and so it will die. Especially in the first few weeks when people will want to kill it for the novelty value alone.
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#49 - 2013-11-21 01:24:01 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
The ratting domi fit... oh wait its a stratios... well it works on here to anyways.
I did it tons of times testin the hardest level 4s and sites

If you are not happy about it just fu
Also there are allot of empty spots but thats just a basic template
You can also PvP easily if you put 2 Nano's MWD Targeting scripts in mids and so on, with some neuts in mids for the frigates chasing for you.....

Has i said, its a template but no, using lasers is something you dont need to do and is not effective unless you are thinking about needing to be close...

[Stratios, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II


Garde II x4
Bouncer II x4


This is close to what I am using now. With such a large drone bay there is no reason not to carry around 5+ Warriors II for those quicker, smaller enemies. I also have a web and T2 blasters to deal with anyone close since they are inexpensive and the fitting for this ship is generous. This is great for my alt who can't pilot an Ishtar (has level 5 drone skills) and seems much better than the Vexor so far. Ishtar (or maybe Vindicator) is still my favorite ship though I still need to pick up a Marauder since the patch.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#50 - 2013-11-21 02:08:41 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
The ratting domi fit... oh wait its a stratios... well it works on here to anyways.
I did it tons of times testin the hardest level 4s and sites

If you are not happy about it just fu
Also there are allot of empty spots but thats just a basic template
You can also PvP easily if you put 2 Nano's MWD Targeting scripts in mids and so on, with some neuts in mids for the frigates chasing for you.....

Has i said, its a template but no, using lasers is something you dont need to do and is not effective unless you are thinking about needing to be close...

[Stratios, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II


Garde II x4
Bouncer II x4


The thing about doing the range + no tank thing is that the Navy Vexor does it better for cheaper too. You miss out on 1 Omni but you can use drone scope chips instead.

[Vexor Navy Issue, L4s]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Link Augmentor II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Drone Scope Chip I
Medium Drone Scope Chip I
Medium Drone Scope Chip I


Garde II x5

74+12 km range on Gardes, 85km lock/drone control range, 800dps. Don't use it against Guristas.
Revy Aishira
Keiretsu.
#51 - 2013-11-21 02:58:04 UTC
Currently the only fit I made for it so far, still feels like it needs more work though.

[Stratios, Exploration, PVE]

Highs
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch)
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher II

Mediums
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II (Scan Resolution Script)
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Cap Recharger II

Lows
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Rigs
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Drones
4x Garde II
10x Hobgoblin II
10x Warrior SW-300
20X Hammerhead II

Mira Thanis
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#52 - 2013-11-21 07:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mira Thanis
Batelle wrote:
pretty sure you'll get a better tank by getting a better mar than buying a second one and only having 2 hardeners. Naked RAH with no plate or additional resistance mods is also bad, RAH is best when stacked on top of hardeners.

Also, reactivation delay is 30 seconds, not locking delay, I misunderstood earlier. Yeah its a *****, gotta be careful about that.

Stratios should tank ghost sites easily, but you will need to refit in space with a depot. LSE + invulns or explosive hardener work, 1600 + 1 explosive hardener and a DC should also be MORE than adequate. Nullsec ghost site explosions are roughly 10,000 raw damage give or take a few thousand, and reportedly are full-on explosive damage type.


You are quite right with the MAR.. it opens slots for a Omni , frees Cap and with 3 Hardeners /RAH youll get almost the same tank :) or yo get slightly less tank for a second DDA

you can buffer the Stratios quite well for the Ghost Site at least the High sec + Low Sec ones were no problem.. (DCU , TP + Explo Hardener) were adequate for this sites

just have to find another Sansha 6 to test the new Tank :/

quick [edit] :

about the reactivation delay .. something like 10-20 seconds would be okay.. just so that you can jump cloaked through a gate eg. Travel completely cloaked .. that would be nice :/ to wait 15 seconds after a jump is really annoying -_-' and to decloak when enter warp is also only sub-optimal..
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-11-21 09:28:19 UTC
Celeste Taylor wrote:
Solutio Letum wrote:
The ratting domi fit... oh wait its a stratios... well it works on here to anyways.
I did it tons of times testin the hardest level 4s and sites

If you are not happy about it just fu
Also there are allot of empty spots but thats just a basic template
You can also PvP easily if you put 2 Nano's MWD Targeting scripts in mids and so on, with some neuts in mids for the frigates chasing for you.....

Has i said, its a template but no, using lasers is something you dont need to do and is not effective unless you are thinking about needing to be close...

[Stratios, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II


Garde II x4
Bouncer II x4


This is close to what I am using now. With such a large drone bay there is no reason not to carry around 5+ Warriors II for those quicker, smaller enemies. I also have a web and T2 blasters to deal with anyone close since they are inexpensive and the fitting for this ship is generous. This is great for my alt who can't pilot an Ishtar (has level 5 drone skills) and seems much better than the Vexor so far. Ishtar (or maybe Vindicator) is still my favorite ship though I still need to pick up a Marauder since the patch.


The trick is the cloak Twisted

Uncloak... launch drones.... assign to instalock TP/web Rapier... Profit?

No Worries

Shock Dawg
Caring and Sharing Inc
#54 - 2013-11-21 17:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Shock Dawg
I was looking to use the bonuses of the ship in a ghost site, WH Ghost sites.. This will be a trailer queen , sitting in a hanger until the site is located and its one and only job is to hack the ghost site and survive when it fails. Is there any other ship that gives bonuses to virus strength?

[Stratios, Ghoster]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Small Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Emission Scope Sharpener II



Ogre II x5
Warrior II x15
Vespa EC-600 x5
Garde II x5
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#55 - 2013-11-21 19:58:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Shock Dawg wrote:
I was looking to use the bonuses of the ship in a ghost site, WH Ghost sites.. This will be a trailer queen , sitting in a hanger until the site is located and its one and only job is to hack the ghost site and survive when it fails. Is there any other ship that gives bonuses to virus strength?



Emergent Locust T3 is the best ship for any ghost site period forever the end and done. Doesn't matter if you're in a WH though i guess, you will have the luxury of time. Need more of those WH implants on the market so full sets are available and people will buy the alphas and betas.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Shock Dawg
Caring and Sharing Inc
#56 - 2013-11-21 20:12:25 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Shock Dawg wrote:
I was looking to use the bonuses of the ship in a ghost site, WH Ghost sites.. This will be a trailer queen , sitting in a hanger until the site is located and its one and only job is to hack the ghost site and survive when it fails. Is there any other ship that gives bonuses to virus strength?



Emergent Locust T3 is the best ship for any ghost site period forever the end and done. Doesn't matter if you're in a WH though i guess, you will have the luxury of time. Need more of those WH implants on the market so full sets are available and people will buy the alphas and betas.


That's all well and good but the Stratios has a smaller sig, and as I built above a +30 virus strength and greater tank than my probey Tengu , and though I dont plan on using it, more dps as well..just in case. Changing my existing Tengu fit would decrease the tank.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#57 - 2013-11-21 20:25:44 UTC
Well, I'll just say thats probably a very unnecessarily heavy tank for a ghost site. I imagine WH ones are a bit harder than null, but its basically a few seconds of minor dps, an explosion of explosive damage, followed by a few seconds of minor dps. My tengu was pretty overtanked with 14k shiled hp and about 78% explosive resist. Never turned on the booster and the whole site took me to maybe 2/3 shield. supplemental screening and rigs are pretty unnecessary i'd think, particularly if you feel like actually fitting an explosive hardener, which can also be easily overloaded for the entire duration of the site.

That said, WH sites are harder, and again you have the luxury of time to switch ships and fittings at your leisure.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#58 - 2013-11-21 21:25:06 UTC
Really ruff play with a low sec exploration fit, meant for non-combat but should be able to get out of trouble.

[Stratios, Stratios Exploration T2]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Explosive Plating II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
Medium Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Gleam M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II


Garde II x4
Ogre II x4
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x2
Hammerhead II x5
Ogre II x1

*All 5 stats*

-DPS-

Beams = 132 (Gleam M)

4* Ogre = 468

4* Garde = 443

-Tank-

Armour resists = 77.9 EM / 79.5 TH / 55.8 KN / 38.8 EX

Uniform damage profile

EHP = 43.3k

Armour rep = 107.1 HP/s

-Cap-

8m 15s with lasers, AB, DC and MAR

Speed = 201 m/s with AB 497 m/s


I don't normally fly armour so any advice is welcome.

Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#59 - 2013-11-21 23:13:35 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:

The thing about doing the range + no tank thing is that the Navy Vexor does it better for cheaper too. You miss out on 1 Omni but you can use drone scope chips instead.


Yeah, I can see that. This is why I mentioned that I prefer it over the plain Vexor (hybrid bonus instead of the Navy's tracking and velocity) instead of the Navy especially with the 125 bandwidth. I do like the novelty of the news ship though and since I have a tone of LP in SoE I think this ship is only about 50m or so, plus the cloaking is fun. Of course I still stand by my statement that the Ishtar is the best cruiser sized drone boat though.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#60 - 2013-11-21 23:27:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
For solo-ganking people running pve-content:

Quote:
[Stratios, ranran]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Ogre II x4
Curator II x4
Garde II x4
Valkyrie II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5


Also works with cloak, probe launcher and three neutrons. About 200 tanked with MAR + 300 with AAR, around 600dps at point blank. Nice Tracking.