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Nak hak
#1 - 2011-11-16 01:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nak hak
DOJ: Violating a Site's ToS Is a Crime

Prisoner #1: What you in for?
Prisoner #2: I didn't post my correct photo on match.com.

Well,.... I guess they're keeping someone safe. Nah!

Edit:

Damn! When they add up all my old hotmail accounts I could be facing 20 years!X

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-16 01:32:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivus Tao
That's exactly why this will never actually go through. Anyone who's ever used the internet has likely inadvertently broken dozens of ToS agreements. It sounds like a good idea to them now, but when they figure out that 99% of the United states is facing jail time because of it, well they'll change their tune rather quickly.

Edit: Guess it didn't like the quote.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#3 - 2011-11-16 01:37:48 UTC
This is beautiful. Its like companies weren't satisfied to not actually be liable for crimes against humanity (Kiobel vs. Royal Dutch Petroleum), they have to go ahead and make violating silly fake contracts no one reads a goddamn crime.
Nak hak
#4 - 2011-11-16 02:04:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nak hak
Zions Child wrote:
This is beautiful. Its like companies weren't satisfied to not actually be liable for crimes against humanity (Kiobel vs. Royal Dutch Petroleum), they have to go ahead and make violating silly fake contracts no one reads a goddamn crime.

Supreme Court To Rule On Corporate Personhood For Crimes Against Humanity

Supreme Court should be taking arguments in February. Promises to be a disappointment. The Court loves those corporations.

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak
SpaceSquirrels
#5 - 2011-11-16 03:32:45 UTC
Too be fair posting fraudulent photos on dating websites should be prison worthy. I mean have you ever been on a date where somebody say misrepresented themselves by a few pounds...say a few years ago?

You never make that mistake again...like a kidnapping/ransom photo from then on. I want current date and time with a newspaper in your photo album prior to meeting!
Barakkus
#6 - 2011-11-16 05:18:28 UTC
So that like means all of the trolls on this forum could go to jail if they live in the US...
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WIN!!!!

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2011-11-16 12:21:19 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
So that like means all of the trolls on this forum could go to jail if they live in the US...
...
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WIN!!!!


I don't.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
#8 - 2011-11-16 12:40:58 UTC
haha

now all we need is a website ToS that's fundamentally impossible to fulfill and we can send everyone to jail

"You must be exceeding the speed of light to access this webpage"

Lol
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-16 18:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
This is another on my long list of crimes you don't want to admit to being imprisoned for to your 300 pound cellmate convicted of serial buttrape.

Also on my list of crimes that are inelligible for any sort of street cred.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-18 06:40:07 UTC
*IF* they start to push this - the 2 effects I see:

1) People may actually start paying attention to what they agree to and try to follow the rules for a change. Shocking notion.

2) TOS agreements will be reworked to avoid making it so people violate the rules.

You have a lot of people with the attitude that they don't have to follow through on with anything that isn't "legally binding". No matter what they agree to, it's not their responsability if it's not "legally enforceable". So if they make it enforceable then perhaps a small return to some form of honesty might come out.

Just look at all those games with gold buyers who agree to the terms then violate those terms simply because they can't be legally held accountable for their actions. Look at sites like google that mandates users to be of legal age to use their services... So on and so forth.

Both sides of those agreements hold a good deal of greedy self-interested individuals who don't care but when it holds legal penalties and people begin to notice the moronic clauses coupled in with their having agreed to those for a long time... Perhaps we can see some positive changes as corporations are held accountable for their TOS's as well as those who agree to them.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-11-19 07:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
I normally like to jump on stories like this and defend the other side when people start smiling and nodding without actually discussing anything. Cops, the government, corporate america... they are too easy to hate and they need a champion some times or everyone gets too comfortable assuming they're evil and stops really thinking about things.

Just wanted to check in and note that this... is exactly what it seems and I have no argument to make in defense of their blatantly vague law which could likely apply to anyone on the internet if they wanted it to. Please feel free to use 1984 and police state arguments to hyperbole without me intervening.

Quote:
(2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains—
(C) information from any protected computer;

Quote:
(2) the term “protected computer” means a computer—
(B) which is used in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or communication, including a computer located outside the United States that is used in a manner that affects interstate or foreign commerce or communication of the United States;

Quote:
(6) the term “exceeds authorized access” means to access a computer with authorization and to use such access to obtain or alter information in the computer that the accesser is not entitled so to obtain or alter;

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Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-11-19 11:37:49 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
I normally like to jump on stories like this and defend the other side when people start smiling and nodding without actually discussing anything. Cops, the government, corporate america... they are too easy to hate and they need a champion some times or everyone gets too comfortable assuming they're evil and stops really thinking about things.

Just wanted to check in and note that this... is exactly what it seems and I have no argument to make in defense of their blatantly vague law which could likely apply to anyone on the internet if they wanted it to. Please feel free to use 1984 and police state arguments to hyperbole without me intervening.

Quote:
(2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains—
(C) information from any protected computer;

Quote:
(2) the term “protected computer” means a computer—
(B) which is used in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or communication, including a computer located outside the United States that is used in a manner that affects interstate or foreign commerce or communication of the United States;

Quote:
(6) the term “exceeds authorized access” means to access a computer with authorization and to use such access to obtain or alter information in the computer that the accesser is not entitled so to obtain or alter;


Agreed.

Department of Justice needs to be renamed to the Department of "Justice"
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-11-20 01:08:15 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Quote:
FRAUD AND RELATED ACTIVITY IN CONNECTION WITH COMPUTERS


I think the main thing that bothers me is that the law has no 'spirit' or intent. Like we just went round and round on this forum about police arresting people for 'eavesdropping' and it being thrown out over and over. I'm not trying to dig that entire issue up again, but the bottom line legally speaking was that recording police wasn't within the intent the law was made from. This however, has no intent. It's obviously written to be vague even in it's title and description.

If an officer arrested you for this law RIGHT NOW at your computer, you would not have any such defense, and it would not be a wrongful or false arrest because nearly everyone violates a ToS in some way or another. That **** is scary.

I wonder if Herzog will show me how to make a good hat if I bring him one of those 18'x500" rolls of aluminum foil from the wholesale club.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch
Alara IonStorm
#14 - 2011-11-20 01:12:15 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
So that like means all of the trolls on this forum could go to jail if they live in the US...
...
...
WIN!!!!

Who would jail a guy named Barakkus?
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-20 04:10:01 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
So that like means all of the trolls on this forum could go to jail if they live in the US...
...
...
WIN!!!!



Pfft, all the good trolls live outside US.

Besides, who really cares that much about silly US laws anymore? Its all just garbage anyways.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-20 06:01:49 UTC
Sounds like the US is a sucky place to be...

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-11-20 06:23:08 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Sounds like the US is a sucky place to be...


On a high school de-education I can afford a nice apartment in an expensive area by myself, drive a new car, eat like a king, and play games online, while putting away a meager savings, and no one bothers me save the odd text message on my cell phone advertising something and the handful of junk mail I throw out in the trash can they place right by the mail boxes.

Meanwhile the entire world claims my economy is in the toilet, my police rule my life, I have no privacy, no rights, too many bills, my leaders are idiots, corporate america is stealing all my money, we're destroying the planet, and every president is some kind of extremist.

If I wasn't here living the good life I'd probably think it was a sucky place to be as well.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2011-11-20 15:51:19 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Sounds like the US is a sucky place to be...


On a high school de-education I can afford a nice apartment in an expensive area by myself, drive a new car, eat like a king, and play games online, while putting away a meager savings, and no one bothers me save the odd text message on my cell phone advertising something and the handful of junk mail I throw out in the trash can they place right by the mail boxes.

Meanwhile the entire world claims my economy is in the toilet, my police rule my life, I have no privacy, no rights, too many bills, my leaders are idiots, corporate america is stealing all my money, we're destroying the planet, and every president is some kind of extremist.

If I wasn't here living the good life I'd probably think it was a sucky place to be as well.


Your country is the only country in the world though that deep fries butter.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Alara IonStorm
#19 - 2011-11-20 18:40:09 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Sounds like the US is a sucky place to be...


On a high school de-education I can afford a nice apartment in an expensive area by myself, drive a new car, eat like a king, and play games online, while putting away a meager savings, and no one bothers me save the odd text message on my cell phone advertising something and the handful of junk mail I throw out in the trash can they place right by the mail boxes.

Meanwhile the entire world claims my economy is in the toilet, my police rule my life, I have no privacy, no rights, too many bills, my leaders are idiots, corporate america is stealing all my money, we're destroying the planet, and every president is some kind of extremist.

If I wasn't here living the good life I'd probably think it was a sucky place to be as well.


Your country is the only country in the world though that deep fries butter.

That's what they said about the UK and it's fat soaked Deep Fried Mars Bars. But now that's everywhere around the world so no matter where you live expect Deep Fried Butter to a Fry Truck near you soon.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-11-21 02:05:51 UTC
In America the #1 cause of death is eating the whatever deliciously bad foods anyone wants all day every day until it destroys our bodies, and we get no exercise because for the most part have no need to do manual labor on a regular basis, and that means it's a bad place to live.

Wait.

What?

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