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worst idea ever, this involves other ways to gain SP
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myFORUMalt alts
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-20 02:05:58 UTC
I would like to know if this is the worst idea ever,
I think the loyalty point store or customs office should offer skill points as an optional reward. This would serve several purposes.
One it could significantly help newer players advance more quickly in the game
Two, it would allow a reward for time spent in game other than just wealth
Three, it would level part of the eve playing field, so that its not just, oldest players can out compete the newest players.
four, it would allow me to not wait months and months for higher end skills that take 30+days to train. (im selfish)

just an idea, Hate it if you dont like it.

Yes, I complain about things I don't like.
iNsAn3
White Noise Combine
#2 - 2011-11-20 02:07:48 UTC
I have to say. In my honest opinion. Terrible idea.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#3 - 2011-11-20 02:08:28 UTC
myFORUMalt alts wrote:

One it could significantly help newer players advance more quickly in the game
Two, it would allow a reward for time spent in game other than just wealth
Three, it would level part of the eve playing field, so that its not just, oldest players can out compete the newest players.
four, it would allow me to not wait months and months for higher end skills that take 30+days to train. (im selfish)


This would be a far bigger boost to older players than new ones.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-20 02:17:43 UTC
iNsAn3 wrote:
I have to say. In my honest opinion. Terrible idea.


Sorry OP but I think the quoted one is about right Lol
Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-20 02:27:15 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
myFORUMalt alts wrote:

One it could significantly help newer players advance more quickly in the game
Two, it would allow a reward for time spent in game other than just wealth
Three, it would level part of the eve playing field, so that its not just, oldest players can out compete the newest players.
four, it would allow me to not wait months and months for higher end skills that take 30+days to train. (im selfish)


This would be a far bigger boost to older players than new ones.


^ This. I know people with millions of lps stockpiled. Also older players can make more LP per hour than newer players.


myFORUMalt alts wrote:
I would like to know if this is the worst idea ever,


Not the worst idea, but overall pretty bad
myFORUMalt alts
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-20 02:29:19 UTC
Archare wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
myFORUMalt alts wrote:

One it could significantly help newer players advance more quickly in the game
Two, it would allow a reward for time spent in game other than just wealth
Three, it would level part of the eve playing field, so that its not just, oldest players can out compete the newest players.
four, it would allow me to not wait months and months for higher end skills that take 30+days to train. (im selfish)


This would be a far bigger boost to older players than new ones.


^ This. I know people with millions of lps stockpiled. Also older players can make more LP per hour than newer players.


myFORUMalt alts wrote:
I would like to know if this is the worst idea ever,


Not the worst idea, but overall pretty bad



How do people go about getting millions of sp, grind lvl5s

Yes, I complain about things I don't like.
SilentSkills
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-20 02:32:33 UTC
OP you sound like a new player. Either commit or go play some other grind-like mmo
myFORUMalt alts
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-11-20 02:35:58 UTC
SilentSkills wrote:
OP you sound like a new player. Either commit or go play some other grind-like mmo




i have 2 toons, 29 and 33 mil sp. they are at the point where things take months to train. im just getting bored. why dont you commit to something unpleasant. So now i discovered the forums and i post stupid ideas, hence the title of the post.

Yes, I complain about things I don't like.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-20 02:41:20 UTC
SilentSkills wrote:
OP you sound like a new player. Either commit or go play some other grind-like mmo


STFU will ya?

So you can't read a fracking post without posting anger?

It's not a good idea we can agree on that, you just don't have to tell him to go------->FO

Many grind like MMO's are far better/interesting than Eve, and reading your post just makes a lot of new players think they're dealing with maniacs or disturbed people not able to answer nothing than what a far cousin of the oldest homo sapiens would be able to answer.


@OP Eve is a very interesting game, complicated by players interaction rather than it's own rules or game experience you can ever have. You need to think about it has an anger in where you can dish it out on everyone without a single thought, it's what every one around does, you'll just make part of them, nothing wrong when you deal with that kind of attitude.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#10 - 2011-11-20 02:41:45 UTC
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
SilentSkills wrote:
OP you sound like a new player. Either commit or go play some other grind-like mmo




i have 2 toons, 29 and 33 mil sp. they are at the point where things take months to train. im just getting bored. why dont you commit to something unpleasant. So now i discovered the forums and i post stupid ideas, hence the title of the post.


I appreciate your candor so don't be shy to post up your ideas. Regarding this one though, as was stated above, this would give older players a far greater advantage than noobies. Like by a factor of ten.

Fly safe.


If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Di Mulle
#11 - 2011-11-20 02:42:34 UTC
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
SilentSkills wrote:
OP you sound like a new player. Either commit or go play some other grind-like mmo




i have 2 toons, 29 and 33 mil sp. they are at the point where things take months to train. im just getting bored. why dont you commit to something unpleasant. So now i discovered the forums and i post stupid ideas, hence the title of the post.


I am glad I have now discovered ignore thingy.
<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-20 04:15:06 UTC
I know a worse idea: do not biomass yourself.
Evenus Battuta
#13 - 2011-11-20 04:22:29 UTC
I prefer letting player A sell his SP to player B like they already do in Character Bazaar, without involving stupid name issue.

And that will be a big isk sink.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#14 - 2011-11-20 05:22:06 UTC
No, the best idea ever is of course being able to buy SP in the NeX store for AUR. /troll
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-20 05:23:44 UTC
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
four, it would allow me to not wait months and months for higher end skills that take 30+days to train. (im selfish)
This pretty much sums up your idea and the motivation behind it.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#16 - 2011-11-20 05:24:35 UTC
If you truly want to help new players gain ground faster on older players, then have CCP go back (extend?) and speed up how fast players under a year gain SP. Maybe even something radical where you get a +100% speed boost at zero SP which then decreases in a linear fashion to +0% faster SP gain once you get past 10M SP (which would result in 2x faster training times for anyone with less then 10M SP).

Trading LP for SP will not help the new players at all, it only helps the older players who can run things faster because they have the ISK, the skills and the experience to do it.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-11-20 05:26:19 UTC
It would turn everyone into mission whores and everywhere in the game would be empty apart from mission hubs


and older players would benefit far more.


An older player flying a gank fit faction battleship vs a new player in a cruiser
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#18 - 2011-11-20 05:32:53 UTC
Not THE worst idea ever (I've seen far worse) and not even an original bad idea either (I've seen it pitched in various forms before many times).

Might as well have CCP sell "SP accrual rate boosters" in the NEX store.
Why ?
This would just remove some intermediate steps which would have been needed in the OP's idea (while also giving CCP an even more front-loadable revenue stream).

I hope you can see what the problem with THAT would be...

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Amro One
One.
#19 - 2011-11-20 05:38:15 UTC
Post with your main.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#20 - 2011-11-20 05:50:42 UTC
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
One it could significantly help newer players advance more quickly in the game
Two, it would allow a reward for time spent in game other than just wealth
Three, it would level part of the eve playing field, so that its not just, oldest players can out compete the newest players.
four, it would allow me to not wait months and months for higher end skills that take 30+days to train. (im selfish)

Let's pick it apart point by point...

On point "One", it would significantly help older players and older player's alts more than it would help new players. Granted, very early on, speaking as a percentage, sure, you'd have a point, but it's still quite a flimsy approach to the argument.
Besides, they already give out free cerebral accelerators (for now) with every new account, and that's a non-negligible boost to early SP accrual rates.
A better alternative if THAT stated sentence would be your actual goal would be to re-institute the SP bonus for "under X total SP", or rescale the SP needed for various skill levels (so that early levels get completed faster than they are now while total for L5 remains unchanged), or give a "bonus SP" reward for various new-player-focused tutorials//arcs//activities, or a combination of those things.

On point "Two", wealth and just about any tangible//concrete rewards for time spent online are already interchangeable to a rather large degree, indirectly, at least. Intangible//experience rewards for time spent online are only achievable by spending that time online.
If you have enough ISK you can buy just about anything, including characters nearly as old as the game itself (if only you can offer enough ISK). ISK which can be obtained by doing profitable stuff in-game.
The only difference is exchange rate between time spent online and wealth accrued.
Old players have the advantage here again.

On point "Three", see the two points above. Your measures which are supposed to help new players actually end up helping older players more, so comparatively speaking, you're actually HURTING new players in the medium to long run more than you're helping them.

On point "Four"... well, sure, who wouldn't like to spend some ISK (or LP or whatnot else) and get a "spend SP any way you like" coupon ?
Either way, it can all be reduced to spending ISK - worst case scenario, you just buy the character that actually did all the things he needed to do in order to get the SP you want. More likely, you can just put up a "want ad" and somebody will do (for ISK) whatever it is you would have needed to do to get the SP. Even more likely, you can pay ISK to have somebody else do the needed things for your character.
Guess who wins out more here too ?
If you somehow guessed "older players", congratulations, you're finally getting the point.

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