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need an advice for exploration-gnosis
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pazariel fataulpetrol
Xasapotaverna
#1 - 2013-11-19 09:22:49 UTC
at first pleased to meet you all :)

i started my char exactly 21 days ago (already i subscribe for 3 months) and today as i can see my summary so far is ok (i think)

i managed to have so far 5 implants +4, bought a normal raven and equip it with rigs-items i have a hangar with estimated value at 179 mill and 578 millions in cash... my best "buddy" so far was exploration and it seems that i continue to follow this path...
so here we are ... should i look to buy a Gnosis insteed my sukuvesta Heron because of the patch (shards detonation, rats spawn etc.) or the changes wont be so dramatic?

any advice will be helpfull for me because i'm still newb :) and tnx a lot in advance...
Inquisitor Ageri
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-11-19 09:55:09 UTC
Hello and welcome! First off, don't worry too much about accumulating implants at the stage you are in. Second, if you enjoy exploration then you can either aim for your racial Covert Ops frigate that has exploration bonuses - i.e Anathema for Amarr, Buzzard for Caldari, Helios for Gallente, or Cheetah for Minmatar - OR you can aim for one of the Sisters of EVE bespoke exploration frigates that are coming into the game TODAY after downtime. These are specifically designed for the new exploration features, but a standard racial exploration frigate will do just as well if you don't really plan on running the new Ghost Sites. A Gnosis is a big investment, and will probably benefit you further down the road in terms of your Skillpoints. Hope that helps.
Pit Bredd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-11-19 11:19:40 UTC
You do know, that Gnosis has no bonuses for hacking, don't you? If you are low skill, then 6 mid slots and 37 % bonus to scanner strength are defenetly worth buying Gnosis. But if you get your covert op skills to 5, then

[Helios, Helios]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/66475-Helios.html#ixzz2l5ZmUyI7

Will serve you much better in exploration than
[Gnosis, Gnosis: Ultimate traveler - exploration fit]
Overdrive Injector System II
Inertia Stabilizers II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Improved Cloaking Device II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Salvager II

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/66095-Gnosis-Ultimate-traveler-exploration-fit.html#ixzz2l5aDQS4e

Reasons to fly Gnosis is its ability to clear combat signatures, that it will find. You do not need scanner ship and combat ship - you have all in one.
Another reason is 900 m3 cargo , expandable with 6 low slots, assisted by 6 mid slots for shield and greate agility. Thats makes an interesting high sec cargo ship out of it. The one, that can not be ganked so easely.

But if you are rich... You can buy Stratios - the very best ship for exploration so far. If you do not mind to fly in ambulance, of cause...
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-11-19 12:00:58 UTC
pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:
at first pleased to meet you all :)

i started my char exactly 21 days ago (already i subscribe for 3 months) and today as i can see my summary so far is ok (i think)

i managed to have so far 5 implants +4, bought a normal raven and equip it with rigs-items i have a hangar with estimated value at 179 mill and 578 millions in cash... my best "buddy" so far was exploration and it seems that i continue to follow this path...
so here we are ... should i look to buy a Gnosis insteed my sukuvesta Heron because of the patch (shards detonation, rats spawn etc.) or the changes wont be so dramatic?

any advice will be helpfull for me because i'm still newb :) and tnx a lot in advance...


With 21 days....Sell that Raven, you do NOT have the required skills to even fly it remotely efficient.

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Neor Deninard
Blackwater Coalition Forces
Harkonnen Federation
#5 - 2013-11-19 12:58:56 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:
at first pleased to meet you all :)

i started my char exactly 21 days ago (already i subscribe for 3 months) and today as i can see my summary so far is ok (i think)

i managed to have so far 5 implants +4, bought a normal raven and equip it with rigs-items i have a hangar with estimated value at 179 mill and 578 millions in cash... my best "buddy" so far was exploration and it seems that i continue to follow this path...
so here we are ... should i look to buy a Gnosis insteed my sukuvesta Heron because of the patch (shards detonation, rats spawn etc.) or the changes wont be so dramatic?

any advice will be helpfull for me because i'm still newb :) and tnx a lot in advance...


With 21 days....Sell that Raven, you do NOT have the required skills to even fly it remotely efficient.


He didn't say he was using it to shoot stuff, though, exploring raven .... hmmm ;)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-19 13:05:19 UTC
Neor Deninard wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:
at first pleased to meet you all :)

i started my char exactly 21 days ago (already i subscribe for 3 months) and today as i can see my summary so far is ok (i think)

i managed to have so far 5 implants +4, bought a normal raven and equip it with rigs-items i have a hangar with estimated value at 179 mill and 578 millions in cash... my best "buddy" so far was exploration and it seems that i continue to follow this path...
so here we are ... should i look to buy a Gnosis insteed my sukuvesta Heron because of the patch (shards detonation, rats spawn etc.) or the changes wont be so dramatic?

any advice will be helpfull for me because i'm still newb :) and tnx a lot in advance...


With 21 days....Sell that Raven, you do NOT have the required skills to even fly it remotely efficient.


He didn't say he was using it to shoot stuff, though, exploring raven .... hmmm ;)


He also said. Any advice will be helpfull.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-11-19 13:32:27 UTC
Explo raven beats explo gnosis any day of the week!

Where do you fly this?
Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#8 - 2013-11-19 15:54:26 UTC
Pit Bredd wrote:


[Helios, Helios]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I






I personally would add a cargo scanner to this. Definitely add a cargo scanner, in fact.

Also, check this link. Very helpful to exploration pilots.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1309/Neural-Boost_minicontainer-loot-distribution.pdf

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-19 15:59:16 UTC
pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:
should i look to buy a Gnosis insteed my sukuvesta Heron because of the patch (shards detonation, rats spawn etc.) or the changes wont be so dramatic?



It's only a new type of side that detonates, and they are very rare.

Do not bring your Heron into one. Lol

You don't need a Gnosis for them, though - a well-tanked frigate can handle them just fine.

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pazariel fataulpetrol
Xasapotaverna
#10 - 2013-11-19 16:11:39 UTC
tnx a lot all for replies, its very nice to see a game that actually people help with their knowledge new players Big smile
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-11-19 16:22:23 UTC
pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:
tnx a lot all for replies, its very nice to see a game that actually people help with their knowledge new players Big smile


That's because you are posting in New Citizen Q&A. The people hanging around in here are helpful (but usually only in here).

Go to General Discussion and you will find the opposite side of EVE.

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Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#12 - 2013-11-19 16:25:32 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:
tnx a lot all for replies, its very nice to see a game that actually people help with their knowledge new players Big smile


That's because you are posting in New Citizen Q&A. The people hanging around in here are helpful (but usually only in here).

Go to General Discussion and you will find the opposite side of EVE.



This side has cookies.

Eve will make you work a solid month all on your own for your first cookie. Then kick you in the nuts and take that cookie, and laugh at you for thinking you could have a cookie at all.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-11-19 16:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Dkeh Weis wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:
tnx a lot all for replies, its very nice to see a game that actually people help with their knowledge new players Big smile


That's because you are posting in New Citizen Q&A. The people hanging around in here are helpful (but usually only in here).

Go to General Discussion and you will find the opposite side of EVE.



This side has cookies.


Where is my cookie....

Bug reporting because I didn't receive any cookies after Rubicon went live. I think the Dev team has ate them all.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#14 - 2013-11-19 21:31:35 UTC
An eve quote concerning cookies.

"WoW will hold your hand, lead you around, and give you a cookie at the end of the day no matter what happens.
EVE will not only lead you to your death, take your cookie, but will then laugh at you for bringing one in the first place"

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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#15 - 2013-11-19 22:17:45 UTC
My advice:

1. Stop using real life money to buy in-game stuff. You aren't even skilled enough to fly it anyway - nor do you have the experience to fly it remotely competently.

2. Forget about the Gnosis for exploration. Gnosis are gank-bait. Flying around it one is just asking to get shot up. Just about anyone in my corp would love to ambush a Gnosis. As has already been stated, the Gnosis has no bonuses for exploration anyway. You're better off in your beginner frigate.

3. Exploration doesn't make ISK. Not in high sec space anyway. The profits from exploration sites fell through the floor with the Odyssey expansion. The only place you can really make much money off exploration solo is out in low sec or null sec. And out there, you're going to lose your Gnosis REALLY fast. You'll spend more replacing your Gnosis than you will be getting off the sites you are running. Either train for a covert ops frigate with a covert ops cloaking device, or just stay in your exploration frigate. For exploration combat sites, you can work your way from destroyer to cruiser to battlecruiser.

4. Sell the Raven - it was a mistake for you to buy one at this stage in your career.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#16 - 2013-11-20 03:22:31 UTC
Riel Saigo wrote:
My advice:
3. Exploration doesn't make ISK. Not in high sec space anyway. The profits from exploration sites fell through the floor with the Odyssey expansion. The only place you can really make much money off exploration solo is out in low sec or null sec. And out there, you're going to lose your Gnosis REALLY fast. You'll spend more replacing your Gnosis than you will be getting off the sites you are running. Either train for a covert ops frigate with a covert ops cloaking device, or just stay in your exploration frigate. For exploration combat sites, you can work your way from destroyer to cruiser to battlecruiser.


Depends on what exploration he will do, if he will do relic and data sites then I agree whole heartedly... But if he used that Gnosis to run DED sites found throughout hisec he will find he can make an absolute killing in ISK for a new player.

OP - 0.5 space DED sites such as the Minmatar DED 4 can yield anything upto 400mill for about 30 mins work. Of course, you wont always get them, and they arent always going to drop anything, but when Gistum C-Types drop its worth it...

As for people telling you to sell the Raven, I say keep it. Keep it in your hanger and use it as something to work towards. You dont want to be flying it for at least the next 6 months (if not longer). First, work on your core and support skills and such. If youre Caldari and also want the Raven, I suggest finding setting yourself up with Shield skills and Missile skills on top of the Spaceship Command and Core skills.

Next time I am in game I will mail you over some ideal "work towards" skills that will give you something to work towards. Also, take a look at the new IsIs screen and click the Raven, it will give you and idea of what you need to be effective with it.

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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-20 03:50:35 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
You dont want to be flying it for at least the next 6 months (if not longer).
While I fully agree that he shouldn't fly a Raven after 21 days, it takes much less than 6 month to be able to fly a battleship. If you focus your training on this, you can fly a Raven well after about 3 months. If you know what your doing, you can even run lvl 4s after 2 months, but I wouldn't suggest that for a brand new pilot.

Of course, you do not only need skill points, but also pilot skill, but that can also be acquired in 3 months - depending on how fast he learns, how much he plays and what he does.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-11-20 04:09:56 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
You dont want to be flying it for at least the next 6 months (if not longer).
While I fully agree that he shouldn't fly a Raven after 21 days, it takes much less than 6 month to be able to fly a battleship. If you focus your training on this, you can fly a Raven well after about 3 months. If you know what your doing, you can even run lvl 4s after 2 months, but I wouldn't suggest that for a brand new pilot.

Of course, you do not only need skill points, but also pilot skill, but that can also be acquired in 3 months - depending on how fast he learns, how much he plays and what he does.


I was assuming he wouldnt just be focusing his SP into a BS and the support skills when I stated this. Im assuming he will also be training for other things like "ooh I fancy training Stealth Bomber" or "Ooh Cerberus, now theres a ship I like the look of flying" (as well as things like T2 modules and the like).

Sorry, should have clarified in my original post.

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pazariel fataulpetrol
Xasapotaverna
#19 - 2013-11-20 08:38:30 UTC
actually i can fly raven atm (BS skill lv 1) Big smile but i wont till i finish cruise missiles-shield upgrades-weapon upgrades and targeting lv 4 at least... i figured out that its the minimum to check and see all required skills for a ship to be lv 4.
the other thing that i saw till now is with these combat probes i have "visitors" in my mission places stealing loots from wrecks and practically i cant do anything to prevent this.
in my topic now.... heron still can empty those infoshards from their loot with easy and i wonder i ever find a ghost site in high sec that i live atm , so any exploration ship upgrade atm its not needed.
as for lv 4 missions already we cleared 2 of them with a fellow drake pilot.... very nice to see 752k isk bounties at these BS's Big smile

p.s. we wont try silence the informant lv 4 for sure....
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-11-20 14:01:22 UTC
Mail sent ingame. Big smile

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