Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'd agree with this. It's about time Kinetic-only damage bonuses die in a fire.

I made a post earlier about how well is doing a Caracal against a dual repped Incursus. Not bright for something that should kill frigs fast.

I'm going to teach you something which might kill your innocence, but I need ot do it ; you have to know it some day :
AB is a module whose one functionality is to tank missiles... all of them.. yes, even light missiles...

I'm sorry.

Sorry if you can't kill an ovetanked AB frigate in 40 seconds...

But you'll get over it someday. This is life : people die, AB frigates tank missiles damage and life goes on.

When someone dedicate its fit to tank and divert incoming damage, and sacrifice everything for it, I think he deserve to live more than minute eventhough a Caracal lands in.

As for the MWD targets, they will die to a load of RLML Caracal. You might even kill two or three of them.

Of course I'm not talking about interceptors or AF BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SIGNATURE BONUS TO MWD (caps seems fun).

You know, missiles damage is affected by speed and signature. Asking for a missile system to NOT be affected by speed and signature is utterly stupid in fact.

Hence, asking for RLML to kill an AB frigate or a MWD bonused frigate or a skirmished linked frigate is utterly supid.

It's basic logic here, yet a lot of missiles users seem to believe they deserve their missiles to hit everything flying, whatever the size or speed, for full damage, only because turrets can sometimes blap a frigate. That is utterly stupid.

Gotta agree with Bouh here. That Incurses is massivly tanked (7 slot tank) and you have nothing in your caracal fit to counter his fit. I suggest you fit a web and or some damage application rigs. Another option is to use your speed (MWD vs AB) and hold long range point whilst hammering him down until he is out of cap. This will take a reload if not two but you can still kill him.

Moral of the story: If you expect a weapon system to literally be "Hit F1" and wait till he pops then you need to adapt or die. Eve is supposed to be hard. Change your fit. Figure out how to counter the hard counter to your RML Caracal. This is why Eve is so good. You have to really think, sacrifice stuff and find it your own way. If you do it before everyone else you win the internet

So you think keeping him webbed for 3 or 4 mins while you shoot, reload, shoot, is going to kill him?? Do you not think he will be repping his armour and calling in buddies while you fly around for 40 seconds reloading? And seriously, even without a prop mod an incursis is faster than an AB caracal so he is going to pull out of your long point well before you get to reload. Run an MWD caracal (2min 40sec cap) your likely to cap yourself out trying to keep point. Get into web range, your going to die while reloading.

The whole idea of the "improved" rlml is hit and run. you land you kill you warp off to reload.. they are not capable of doing this.

As a person who had lots of fun while spending 1 year in RVB and also a little bit of time in Faction Warfare, I know how things work with small ships. Pre Rubicon RLML Caracal used to kill dual repp Incursuses with impunity. But that doesn't really matter that much since I was already stated that it was an afterburner fitted frigate in the original sentence, so it was obvious that I knew how the sig tanking works.

They don't. Sometimes (if not most times for very speedy things) you need a web to apply 100% damage even with precision missiles.

Actually, I need to do more work on this but I see potential for this in conjunction with the warp speed changes and split weapons of all things. Hear me out here.

You have say, a Stabber fitted with 220s and rapid lights.

1) You manage to get a small gang to chase you while you warp at range.

2) Depending on how fast the gang reacts frigates may land before you or shortly after, find you at range and start to burn.

3) You get a short period of time in which to use everything to clear the field of as many frigates as you can manage and the front loaded damage should make this work fairly quick.

4) Your rapid lights go on reload.

5) The rest of the gang is now on field but you still have decent damage from your 220s and drones, hence you can still fight.

The added advantage of warping at range here is that you could end up separating the enemy gang on two levels. Warp speed will allow you to separate the small fast warpers temporarily and any distance you force the enemy frigs to burn will also separate them from their gang once on grid. Attempts at this to be made soon.

I'm just thinking out loud here right now but I do think this scenario is not really far fetched and could work. Though I do think something like a Caracal suffers a lot more from the reload as if all of its launchers are empty the Caracal has a grand total of 2 drones for damage. The Stabber fit this way loses ~80 dps while the rapid lights are on reload and that dps is applied very well to frigates allowing you to make quick work of them. Without them you still have roughly the same damage a Stabber normally has against other targets and you will get them back eventually.

I make it that the Caracal applies 325 DPS unheated to a webbed Incursus with overloaded AB. The Incursus tanks 155 DPS overloaded, which means that it dies in about 18 seconds.

I suspect that the problem is that you don't know how to fit a Caracal.

Edit - no gang links were assumed.